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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:34:56 +0900
From: Benjamin L. Russell dekudekup...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell for children? Any experience?
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Jason wrote:
I remember when
I was a kid, I wanted to be able to write things to disk so badly (I
have no idea why), but to me that was what 'real' programming was all
about.
Actually, that reminds me of one of my motivations for programming when
I first started programming (in N80-BASIC on
Chris Smith wrote:
Manuel,
Wow, that gloss package is really cool, and exactly the sort of thing I
was looking for. As I've said before, I don't think I can prevent this
from becoming about how to write games eventually. Gloss looks like
provides a nice way to approach graphics programming in
Manuel,
Wow, that gloss package is really cool, and exactly the sort of thing I
was looking for. As I've said before, I don't think I can prevent this
from becoming about how to write games eventually. Gloss looks like
provides a nice way to approach graphics programming in a simple
functional
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:28 AM, aditya siram aditya.si...@gmail.com wrote:
Ye gods! A B D [1] language for kids? At least give them a fighting
chance [2] at becoming future developers.
Haskell's immutability is good for mathematics but doing anything else
takes a great deal of up-front
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On 1/27/11 10:26 , Stephen Tetley wrote:
John Peterson had some nice work using Haskore and Fran for elementary
teaching on the old Haskell.org website. Google's cache says the old
URL was here but its now vanished:
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On 1/27/11 10:28 , aditya siram wrote:
Haskell's immutability is good for mathematics but doing anything else
takes a great deal of up-front patience and perseverance, two very
rare qualities in that demographic if my own childhood is any
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On 1/30/11 00:24 , Brandon S Allbery KF8NH wrote:
Isn't there already a body of evidence that people who've never been exposed
to procedural languages find functional programming to be much more natural?
Also worth pointing out is that kids get
On 28 January 2011 01:23, Chris Smith cdsm...@gmail.com wrote:
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I did look at Haskore, and there's a lot to like about it; but also a
lot to worry about. The documentation talks about it only being able to
do synthesis on Linux (but that documentation seems to be old; I wonder
if this
I think this is a wonderful idea! Fer land sakes, I remember when kids were
taught BASIC or Fortran! I think Haskell will be a great improvement.
Now, how'z'bout web sites? Kids love web sites, yes? I've been working on a
small project, in quiet mode, to develop an all in the web browser
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Chris Smith cdsm...@gmail.com wrote:
Like I said in the original post, my initial
reaction was to push for something like Python. But the kids are very
clear; if I'm at all willing, they want to learn Haskell!
IMO the most important facet of education is
Chris Smith schrieb:
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 11:44 -0600, aditya siram wrote:
I was a little negative in my last message so maybe I can contribute
something positive. If you're looking for a musical way to teach
Haskell I did a Haskell music hackathon [1] about a year and a half
ago. The idea
Jason, thanks for the comments. Unfortunately, I probably won't do blogs
about it. Hate to say it, but anyone who has read much outside of
/r/haskell will surely agree it's irresponsible to write about children on
Reddit. And things I write on my blog are likely to end up on Reddit.
I'll find
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Chris Smith cdsm...@gmail.com wrote:
Jason, thanks for the comments. Unfortunately, I probably won't do blogs
about it. Hate to say it, but anyone who has read much outside of
/r/haskell will surely agree it's irresponsible to write about children on
Reddit.
So I find myself being asked to plan Haskell programming classes for one
hour, once a week, from September through May this coming school year.
The students will be ages 11 to 13. I'm wondering if anyone has
experience in anything similar that they might share with me. I'm
trying to decide if
Ye gods! A B D [1] language for kids? At least give them a fighting
chance [2] at becoming future developers.
Haskell's immutability is good for mathematics but doing anything else
takes a great deal of up-front patience and perseverance, two very
rare qualities in that demographic if my own
Hi,
I'm also curious about this. Is a pure programming style like
Haskell's less or more natural than an imperative mutable-state based
one to kids without experience. I intuitively expect that for kids
with a high-school background in mathematics would find the first more
natural, but this is
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 15:26 +, Stephen Tetley wrote:
John Peterson had some nice work using Haskore and Fran for elementary
teaching on the old Haskell.org website. Google's cache says the old
URL was here but its now vanished:
www.haskell.org/edsl/campy/campy-2003-music.ppt
That sounds
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:26:01 +0100, Stephen Tetley
stephen.tet...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 January 2011 15:04, Chris Smith cdsm...@gmail.com wrote:
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I'm wondering if anyone has
experience in anything similar that they might share with me. I'm
trying to decide if this is feasible, or it
Ye gods! A B D [1] language for kids? At least give them a fighting
chance [2] at becoming future developers.
Haskell's immutability is good for mathematics but doing anything else
takes a great deal of up-front patience and perseverance, two very
rare qualities in that demographic if my
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 16:40 +0100, klondike wrote:
Two days ago I was referred to this project:
http://wizbang.sourceforge.net/WizBang/WizBang.html The language is
quite imperative but to me looks as a child friendly programming
language due to its low complexity.
Thanks for this and other
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 09:28 -0600, aditya siram wrote:
Ye gods! A B D [1] language for kids?
I do share those concerns. Like I said in the original post, my initial
reaction was to push for something like Python. But the kids are very
clear; if I'm at all willing, they want to learn Haskell!
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