Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-15 Thread Johan Tibell
While having a single standardised library is a nice goal, I think a first step would be to highlight the current state and pros and cons of the various options. Perhaps we could at least have wiki pages with recommendations? So that a potential user of some particular functionality - whether it

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-14 Thread Ketil Malde
Bulat Ziganshin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The problem I'm having with SQL right now is that there are a number >> of not complete and splintered implementation efforts. Having one >> library outside GHCs libraries but still promoted as the default >> implementation (and hosted under haskell.o

Re[4]: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-14 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Johan, Monday, August 7, 2006, 7:25:47 PM, you wrote: (sorry for too late answer) >> http, smtp and other networking protocols - yes. xml/sql is too large >> things. actually, haxml package is already included in GHC sources >> distribution and i think that it should be excluded from there

Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-07 Thread Johan Tibell
http, smtp and other networking protocols - yes. xml/sql is too large things. actually, haxml package is already included in GHC sources distribution and i think that it should be excluded from there because it's too large, far more than any other package bundled with GHC The problem I'm having

Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-07 Thread Johan Tibell
> If I were a billionaire I'd love to sponsor haskell development. > Hmm, I'll add it to my goal list ;) too late - GHC is many years funded by MS Research I'm aware of that, I was just making a call for more money to deal with organizational stuff (running haskell.org, creating and maintaining

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-07 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Johan, Monday, August 7, 2006, 5:25:34 PM, you wrote: > think that Haskell would benefit from moving some commonly used > functionality such as HTTP, SQL and XML support into the standard > libraries. http, smtp and other networking protocols - yes. xml/sql is too large things. actually, h

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-07 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Piotr, Monday, August 7, 2006, 5:29:10 PM, you wrote: > Having someone pay a group of people to hack on Haskell > implementations would indeed be desirable. Without knowing the details > Ubuntu looks like a promising model. If we could just find a willing > billionaire out there... > If

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-07 Thread Piotr Kalinowski
On 07/08/06, Johan Tibell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Having someone pay a group of people to hack on Haskellimplementations would indeed be desirable. Without knowing the detailsUbuntu looks like a promising model. If we could just find a willingbillionaire out there... If I were a billionaire I'd

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-07 Thread Johan Tibell
For me library support, for networking in particular, has been the major hurdle. It gets problematic when too many libraries are still marked as experimental and only partially implements the specification (e.g. protocol) that they are supposed to handle. Also after a quick look at the source for

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-08-07 Thread Hans van Thiel
Hello All, Thanks for the many helpful replies to my question about the suitability of Haskell for industrial/commercial application. >From those I gather there are no licensing problems regarding the use of the standard functions and modules. Use of proprietary modules may or not be restricted by

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-07-24 Thread Tony Finch
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Brian Hulley wrote: > > [...] it seems to me that what's really needed is a compiler that can do > whole program optimization [...] > > Has anyone done work on an equivalent of MLton for Haskell? http://repetae.net/john/computer/jhc/ Tony. -- f.a.n.finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-07-24 Thread Brian Hulley
Simon Marlow wrote: Neil Mitchell wrote: Would it not be possible to add a GHC rule like the following: forall a b . sequence a >> b = sequence_ a >> b I'm not sure if thats correct, a valid rule definition, or semantics preserving, but if it was it would be nice :) Now there's a good idea

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-07-24 Thread Simon Marlow
Matthew Bromberg wrote: Here are some reasons why 1) Lack of debugging support. Yes there are print statements and trace, but I would like to set a breakpoint. It would be nice to do so and launch the GHCi interpreter with all the variable context supported. A google search revealed that t

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-07-24 Thread Simon Marlow
Neil Mitchell wrote: Would it not be possible to add a GHC rule like the following: forall a b . sequence a >> b = sequence_ a >> b I'm not sure if thats correct, a valid rule definition, or semantics preserving, but if it was it would be nice :) Now there's a good idea! Cheers, Si

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Why Haskell?

2006-07-24 Thread Simon Marlow
Bulat Ziganshin wrote: Hello Pepe, Sunday, July 23, 2006, 5:23:18 PM, you wrote: 1) Lack of debugging support. Yes there are print statements and trace, You can find more info about this project in the Haskell wiki at: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Ghci/Debugger All you'd need to do