Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-15 Thread Ketil Malde
Seth Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bioinformaticians are among the first to adopt functional programming languages From my experience, Bioinformatics use a mixture of langauges - C to implement various algorithms, a bit of Java for UI-oriented stuff, and Perl to tie it all together. (You

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-14 Thread Roel van Dijk
On Nov 13, 2007 5:03 PM, Laurent Deniau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If your program is written in Java (resp. C) but the JIT is written in C (resp. OCaml), in which language is your code? I'd say it's written in Java. If you have a bug where would you correct it? If someone would like to see

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-14 Thread Laurent Deniau
Jon Harrop wrote: On Tuesday 13 November 2007 16:03, Laurent Deniau wrote: OCaml was used to write a meta-program which applies heuristics to minimize the runtime of the critical C code (i.e. the butterflies). This has nothing to do with FFT computation No. The sole purpose of the OCaml

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-14 Thread luc.taesch
well, I generally read more than post on the list, but being in investment banking ( for 20 years), this one is too hard to resist... The kind of job these guys do is highly mathematical ( quantitative analysis) as opposed to traditional banking or Back Offices where th job is (not so clever)

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-14 Thread Jon Harrop
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 10:55, luc.taesch wrote: do not expect it to be a lead to mass expansion for tommorow... I think the functional programming market is far from saturated though: there are still many inroads to make into areas like technical computing that stand to benefit a lot

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-14 Thread Seth Gordon
Jon Harrop wrote: When functional languages achieve these goals I believe the total number of users will increase dramatically as scientists and engineers adopt them alongside their standard tools. Bioinformaticians are among the first to adopt functional programming languages but I believe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Derek Elkins wrote: On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 15:51 -0800, Donn Cave wrote: On Nov 12, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Galchin Vasili wrote: I am looking for (objective.. i.e. not juts FPL cheerleading) opinions as to why Wall Street ( http://www.janestcapital.com/) and banking

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: Penetration is highest in parts of industry where small groups of talented programmers get together, most notably startups. Look at XenSource, Wolfram Research, The MathWorks, ?? Mathematica and MatLab are just the opposite of statically safe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
Henning Thielemann writes: ?? Mathematica and MatLab are just the opposite of statically safe programming. Is this a religious statement, quite popular in our Church of Functionalism, or you mean something concrete by that, and if yes, then what? Jerzy Karczmarczuk

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Galchin Vasili wrote: I am looking for (objective.. i.e. not juts FPL cheerleading) opinions as to why Wall Street ( http://www.janestcapital.com/) For Jane St Capital read the article by Yaron Minsky in issue 7 of the Monad Reader:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Jon Harrop
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 08:41, Henning Thielemann wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: Penetration is highest in parts of industry where small groups of talented programmers get together, most notably startups. Look at XenSource, Wolfram Research, The MathWorks, ??

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henning Thielemann writes: ?? Mathematica and MatLab are just the opposite of statically safe programming. Is this a religious statement, quite popular in our Church of Functionalism, or you mean something concrete by that, and if yes, then

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: On Tuesday 13 November 2007 08:41, Henning Thielemann wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: Penetration is highest in parts of industry where small groups of talented programmers get together, most notably startups. Look at XenSource,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
Henning Thielemann writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henning Thielemann writes: ?? Mathematica and MatLab are just the opposite of statically safe programming. Is this a religious statement, quite popular in our Church of Functionalism, or you mean something concrete by that, and if

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello jerzy, Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 3:03:16 PM, you wrote: Well, Henning, it is quite a statement: certainly not the appropriate tools for reliable development and maintenance. Tell that to those legions of people who made dozens of thousands of programs in Lisp (or Scheme), in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henning Thielemann writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henning Thielemann writes: ?? Mathematica and MatLab are just the opposite of statically safe programming. Is this a religious statement, quite popular in our Church of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Laurent Deniau
Henning Thielemann wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: On Tuesday 13 November 2007 08:41, Henning Thielemann wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: Penetration is highest in parts of industry where small groups of talented programmers get together, most notably startups.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Jules Bean
Laurent Deniau wrote: Henning Thielemann wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: On Tuesday 13 November 2007 08:41, Henning Thielemann wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: Penetration is highest in parts of industry where small groups of talented programmers get together,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
Henning Thielemann writes: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Henning, it is quite a statement: certainly not the appropriate tools for reliable development and maintenance. Tell that to those legions of people who made dozens of thousands of programs in Lisp (or Scheme),

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Laurent Deniau
Jules Bean wrote: Laurent Deniau wrote: Henning Thielemann wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: the FFT routines in MATLAB (FFTW: written in OCaml) and the SML software that The MathWorks sell. I see, but FFTW was not developed by MathWorks, but by Matteo Frigo and Steven G.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Tim Newsham
Functional programming languages are now much more widely used in industry, primarily because they offer substantial productivity improvements (roughly 10x) over C++ and Java and, consequently, are much more cost effective. Do you have any references for this? Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Jon Harrop
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 16:03, Laurent Deniau wrote: OCaml was used to write a meta-program which applies heuristics to minimize the runtime of the critical C code (i.e. the butterflies). This has nothing to do with FFT computation No. The sole purpose of the OCaml code is to symbolically

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-13 Thread Jon Harrop
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 18:38, Tim Newsham wrote: Functional programming languages are now much more widely used in industry, primarily because they offer substantial productivity improvements (roughly 10x) over C++ and Java and, consequently, are much more cost effective. Do you

[Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-12 Thread Galchin Vasili
Hello, Using http://www.indeed.com with the search phrase Haskell functional, I found several Haskell positions inclusing Quantitative Functional Programmer (Analyst -

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-12 Thread Don Stewart
vigalchin: I am looking for (objective.. i.e. not juts FPL cheerleading) opinions as to why Wall Street ( [3]http://www.janestcapital.com/) and banking are now using OCaml and Haskell. I really want to understand what industrial markets are adopting FPLs and why in order to help

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-12 Thread Donn Cave
On Nov 12, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Galchin Vasili wrote: I am looking for (objective.. i.e. not juts FPL cheerleading) opinions as to why Wall Street ( http://www.janestcapital.com/) and banking are now using OCaml and Haskell. I really want to understand what industrial markets are adopting

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-12 Thread Derek Elkins
On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 15:51 -0800, Donn Cave wrote: On Nov 12, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Galchin Vasili wrote: I am looking for (objective.. i.e. not juts FPL cheerleading) opinions as to why Wall Street ( http://www.janestcapital.com/) and banking are now using OCaml and Haskell. I really

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why are OCaml and Haskell being used at these companies?

2007-11-12 Thread Jon Harrop
On Monday 12 November 2007 20:00, Galchin Vasili wrote: I am looking for (objective.. i.e. not juts FPL cheerleading) opinions as to why Wall Street ( http://www.janestcapital.com/) and banking are now using OCaml and Haskell. They have been using OCaml and Haskell for many years now. They