Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-06 Thread Ketil Malde
Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH allb...@ece.cmu.edu writes: I wonder when we'll get a good haskell virtual package on Debian? What would this package do? Install ghc + all the little pieces of libghc6-cruft needed to get a sane working environment? Sounds easy to do (after all, it's just an empty

[Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread FFT
I'm still learning Haskell and also evaluating whether I want to use the language in my work. It seems like a fascinating language so far (although I don't know if laziness will be a detriment later for me eventually), but I'm a bit worried about the overall quality of its GHC implementation.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread FFT
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM, John Dorsey hask...@colquitt.org wrote: Once it's installed and working, GHC's a very decent compiler. My general null hypothesis is, as Alec Baldwin put it, that a loser is a loser, or a buggy project is buggy. If GHC is robust overall (which I'm yet to find

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread Peter Verswyvelen
That is strange, I'm using Ubuntu myself, and I come from Windows so know absolutely nothing about Linux whatsoever, but GHC 6.10.2 binary installed without problems. But anyway, in this case, if you're on Windows, installation of GHC works like a charm: download, install, play. But for most of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread Miguel Mitrofanov
What about 6.10.1? Is it failing too? On 5 Apr 2009, at 22:22, FFT wrote: I'm still learning Haskell and also evaluating whether I want to use the language in my work. It seems like a fascinating language so far (although I don't know if laziness will be a detriment later for me eventually),

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread wren ng thornton
FFT wrote: John Dorsey wrote: Once it's installed and working, GHC's a very decent compiler. My general null hypothesis is, as Alec Baldwin put it, that a loser is a loser, or a buggy project is buggy. If GHC is robust overall (which I'm yet to find out), why is the installation so broken?

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread John Dorsey
Quoth FFT: My general null hypothesis is, as Alec Baldwin put it, that a loser is a loser, or a buggy project is buggy. I can't see the world in such black and white terms. GHC has strengths and weaknesses, as do other projects. GHC is changing over time, as are other projects. Formally

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
FFT wrote: I'm still learning Haskell and also evaluating whether I want to use the language in my work. snip For example, I tried installing GHC-6.10.2 on my Ubuntu 8.04 machine (probably the most mainstream Linux these days). I'm on Ubuntu 8.10 and soon to move to 9.04 and I agree that

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread Jason Dagit
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Erik de Castro Lopo mle...@mega-nerd.com wrote: FFT wrote: I'm still learning Haskell and also evaluating whether I want to use the language in my work. snip For example, I tried installing GHC-6.10.2 on my Ubuntu 8.04 machine (probably the most mainstream

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Jason Dagit wrote: In particular, I advise my friends not to install GHC from apt on Debian/Ubuntu because of the way the packages are fractured on those distros. Fractured? Nothing but problems for casual Haskell hackers. If you know your distro and Haskell well, then sure it's easy to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread FFT
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Peter Verswyvelen bugf...@gmail.com wrote: That is strange, I'm using Ubuntu myself, and I come from Windows so know absolutely nothing about Linux whatsoever, but GHC 6.10.2 binary installed without problems. Are you running 32-bit Ubuntu 8.04 ?

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On 2009 Apr 5, at 19:47, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Jason Dagit wrote: I wonder when we'll get a good haskell virtual package on Debian? What would this package do? Install ghc + all the little pieces of libghc6-cruft needed to get a sane working environment? -- brandon s. allbery

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread Richard O'Keefe
On 6 Apr 2009, at 1:05 pm, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 2009 Apr 5, at 19:47, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: What would this package do? Install ghc + all the little pieces of libghc6-cruft needed to get a sane working environment? I want the Zen package: Make me one with

Re: [Haskell-cafe] high probability of installation problems and quality of the glorious implementation

2009-04-05 Thread Jason Dagit
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Erik de Castro Lopo mle...@mega-nerd.com wrote: Jason Dagit wrote: In particular, I advise my friends not to install GHC from apt on Debian/Ubuntu because of the way the packages are fractured on those distros. Fractured? In the sense that they split up the