Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-14 Thread Dmitry V'yal
Iván Pérez Domínguez wrote: I'm using Gentoo Linux. We obviously don't use prebuilt packaged versions, but installing it is just doing emerge wxhaskell and 'playing the... waiting game'. Gtk2hs support under Gentoo is mostly missing (the package is included, but doesn't work at all). Hmm,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-14 Thread Dmitry V'yal
Bulat Ziganshin wrote: it is what i say about. threaded RTS + multipls threads that does computations + one thread that interfaces with Gtk2Hs. afaiu, the only problem is that i need to manage both Gtk events and periodically check queue of commands from other threads, but using timer + Chan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-14 Thread Dmitry V'yal
Duncan Coutts wrote: The problem at the moment with GUIs and GHC's threaded RTS is that there is now way to specify that all the Haskell threads that want to do GUI stuff must run on a single OS thread. It's not impossible to solve but it requires either more support from the RTS or it needs

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-14 Thread Sebastian Sylvan
On 11/14/06, Dmitry V'yal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bulat Ziganshin wrote: it is what i say about. threaded RTS + multipls threads that does computations + one thread that interfaces with Gtk2Hs. afaiu, the only problem is that i need to manage both Gtk events and periodically check queue of

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-14 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Dmitry, Tuesday, November 14, 2006, 1:26:36 PM, you wrote: it is what i say about. threaded RTS + multipls threads that does computations + one thread that interfaces with Gtk2Hs. afaiu, the only problem is that i need to manage both Gtk events and periodically check queue of commands

RE: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-14 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 10:40 +, Simon Peyton-Jones wrote: I wonder whether it'd be possible to make the gtk2hs stuff emit warnings if you make calls from two different threads? Then an application would complain constructively rather than becoming unstable. I have three plans: Plan 1:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-14 Thread Neil Mitchell
Hi Plan 1: prevent gtk2hs initialising when using the threaded RTS. This is what the dev version does at the moment to prevent people shooting themselves in the foot. The funny thing is that we can actually use Haskell threads with Gtk2Hs perfectly well with the single threaded rts (we

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-14 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 01:29 +, Neil Mitchell wrote: The funny thing is that we can actually use Haskell threads with Gtk2Hs perfectly well with the single threaded rts (we currently use a polling scheme to to cooperative scheduling between gtk+ and ghc rts but there are some

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Duncan, Monday, November 13, 2006, 3:36:32 AM, you wrote: afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can in brief, i see the following main differences: - wxHaskell is easier to understand and to use, Ght2Hs allows to use Glade to develop lookfeel - Gtk2Hs had

Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 15:41 +0300, Bulat Ziganshin wrote: Hello Duncan, Monday, November 13, 2006, 3:36:32 AM, you wrote: afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can in brief, i see the following main differences: - wxHaskell is easier to understand and to

Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Neil Mitchell
Hi - Gtk2Hs had better support, but now wxHaskell has more maintainers and situation may change to opposite in a next few months As long as Duncan is around, there will always be enough Gtk2Hs support! Currently Gtk2Hs _has_ better support, the situation may change or may not. Remember that

Re[4]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Duncan, Monday, November 13, 2006, 4:10:03 PM, you wrote: on the download page only GHC 6.4.1 support mentioned. is 6.4.2 and 6.6 supported on windows? on linux? where i can read about forthcoming gtk2hs version and when it will be released? -- Best regards, Bulat

Re[4]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Neil, Monday, November 13, 2006, 4:43:59 PM, you wrote: The full source code of GuiHaskell is available. i will at it too The one thing you should be aware of is that Windows + Threading + Gtk2Hs + Gtk + GHC = Pain. why? are you tried to call Gtk2Hs from only one thread? -- Best

Re: Re[4]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Neil Mitchell
Hi Bulat, http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.10.exe That's the most recent Gtk2Hs for 6.4.2. The one thing you should be aware of is that Windows + Threading + Gtk2Hs + Gtk + GHC = Pain. why? are you tried to call Gtk2Hs from only one thread? I think so, yes. Or there are

Re[6]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Neil, Monday, November 13, 2006, 5:06:02 PM, you wrote: http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.10.exe That's the most recent Gtk2Hs for 6.4.2. the http://haskell.org/gtk2hs/download/ page says that gtk2hs is available only for 6.4.1 The one thing you should be aware of is

Re: Re[6]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Sebastian Sylvan
On 11/13/06, Bulat Ziganshin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Neil, Monday, November 13, 2006, 5:06:02 PM, you wrote: http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.10.exe That's the most recent Gtk2Hs for 6.4.2. the http://haskell.org/gtk2hs/download/ page says that gtk2hs is available only

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Tim Docker
afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can anyone point (or write) detailed comparison of their features? One point in wxHaskell's favour is that it supports Mac OS X directly. At present, to the best of my knowledge, you can only run GtkHs applications on OS X using

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Luis F. Araujo
Iván Pérez Domínguez wrote: Neil Mitchell wrote: Hi Bulat, afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can anyone point (or write) detailed comparison of their features? i plan to write large GUI program in Haskell and want to select best one. the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Luis F. Araujo
Bulat Ziganshin wrote: third: are there any appetizers demonstrating features of each library and with source code available for studying? except for memory.pdf which don't mention where full source can be downloaded it will be interesting to see sources of more business-like applications

Re: Re[4]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 16:48 +0300, Bulat Ziganshin wrote: Hello Duncan, Monday, November 13, 2006, 4:10:03 PM, you wrote: on the download page only GHC 6.4.1 support mentioned. is 6.4.2 and 6.6 supported on windows? The last official release for Windows supports GHC 6.2.2 and 6.4.1. I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 18:00 +, Tim Docker wrote: afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can anyone point (or write) detailed comparison of their features? One point in wxHaskell's favour is that it supports Mac OS X directly. At present, to the best of my

Re: Re[6]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 17:10 +0300, Bulat Ziganshin wrote: The one thing you should be aware of is that Windows + Threading + Gtk2Hs + Gtk + GHC = Pain. why? are you tried to call Gtk2Hs from only one thread? I think so, yes. Or there are bizare -threaded restrictions. Only Duncan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Donn Cave
I notice that the Socket returned by ghc Network.Socket (socket) has been set non-blocking. (Noticed empirically, not from documentation.) The Network.Socket functions that use it, e.g., recv, are ready for that, of course, but as a general rule, external functions that expect a socket are very

Re[8]: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Duncan, Monday, November 13, 2006, 10:19:16 PM, you wrote: why? are you tried to call Gtk2Hs from only one thread? it will be great to see comments about this. it's impossible to write my program without using threaded RTS As for the threaded RTS, currently that's only ok if you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Ben Moseley
Has anyone succeeded in getting it running on OSX/intel at all? ...I had a brief go a few weeks back, managed to get the Cairo Clock running, but anything that used GTK seemed to blow up instantly. (OSX/ ppc was fine). --Ben On 13 Nov 2006, at 19:03, Duncan Coutts wrote: On Mon,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 20:49 +, Ben Moseley wrote: Has anyone succeeded in getting it running on OSX/intel at all? I'm not sure actually. I seem to recall someone trying it but I can't remember who now. cc-ing to gtk2hs-users in case anyone knows: has anyone on OSX tried the new Gtk+ 2.10.x

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-13 Thread Ben Moseley
gtk-demo seemed to run fine. --Ben On 13 Nov 2006, at 21:01, Duncan Coutts wrote: On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 20:49 +, Ben Moseley wrote: Has anyone succeeded in getting it running on OSX/intel at all? I'm not sure actually. I seem to recall someone trying it but I can't remember who now.

[Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-12 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello haskell-cafe, afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can anyone point (or write) detailed comparison of their features? i plan to write large GUI program in Haskell and want to select best one. the requirements that i can imagine at this moment is the following:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-12 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 02:50 +0300, Bulat Ziganshin wrote: Hello haskell-cafe, afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can anyone point (or write) detailed comparison of their features? i plan to write large GUI program in Haskell and want to select best one. the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-12 Thread Neil Mitchell
Hi Bulat, afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can anyone point (or write) detailed comparison of their features? i plan to write large GUI program in Haskell and want to select best one. the requirements that i can imagine at this moment is the following: I used

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-12 Thread Iván Pérez Domínguez
Neil Mitchell wrote: Hi Bulat, afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can anyone point (or write) detailed comparison of their features? i plan to write large GUI program in Haskell and want to select best one. the requirements that i can imagine at this moment is

Re: [Haskell-cafe] what GUI library should i select?

2006-11-12 Thread Iván Pérez Domínguez
Bulat Ziganshin wrote: Hello haskell-cafe, afaik, there are just two good enough libs - wxHaskell and GtkHs. can anyone point (or write) detailed comparison of their features? i plan to write large GUI program in Haskell and want to select best one. the requirements that i can imagine at