Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-12 Thread Alex Queiroz
Hallo, On 4/12/07, kynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi. I can't find that post. Could you point it to me please? It's in here: http://cgi.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/blog/2007/03/10#programmable-semicolons -- -alex http://www.ventonegro.org/ ___ Ha

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-12 Thread kynn
Hi. I can't find that post. Could you point it to me please? Thanks! kj riccardo cagnasso wrote: > > The post on dons' blog about the cpu scaler is a great example on how > haskell can easily used in the day-to-day hacking! > > > 2007/4/11, brad clawsie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> i find t

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-12 Thread Udo Stenzel
kynn wrote: > (I don't need elegant > factorial or Fibonacci functions in my everyday work.) I think you do. Most of your utility programs probably fit into the simple frame of main = interact $ unlines . map f . lines for suitable f. Of course, f is hardly ever the factorial function, but it

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-12 Thread Valery V. Vorotyntsev
Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A serious omission in Haskell tutorials is a collection of examples of how to > write Haskell solutions for problems that would use arrays in any imperative > language. > I see that arrays can be defined in Haskell, but I don't see their use as > comput

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Apr 11, 2007, at 23:10 , kynn wrote: rather pragmatic. I have not been able to find enough support in Haskell for everyday tasks (e.g. read a stream from a socket; parse it into a simple The stuff in Network (not Network.Socket) gives you a Handle, which you can treat more or less lik

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread kynn
riccardo cagnasso wrote: > > My opinion is that "learnin haskell is difficult" is just for the fact > that > when you learn programming, you probably begin with C / C++ or some other > procedural/OO programming language... > Actually, my first language was Scheme; I loved it, and I aced the cl

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
... I spent 10 years programming in prolog before I tried haskell. Most of my problems with haskell are because it has a rather opaque performance model (e.g. when should you use tail recursion, and when should you not). But I happily acknowledge that my experience is probably atypical. ;-) Hmmm

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Thomas Conway
On 4/11/07, riccardo cagnasso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you first language is LISP probably you find easy Haskell and difficult pearl. I must say I agree here. I spent 10 years programming in prolog before I tried haskell. Most of my problems with haskell are because it has a rather opaque

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Tomasz Zielonka
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 05:55:08AM -0700, kynn wrote: > Perl is a large, ugly, messy language filled with quirks and eccentricities, > while Haskell is an extremely elegant language whose design is guided by a > few overriding ideas. (Or so I'm told.) > > Based on this one would think that it wou

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread David Tolpin
Hi, I'm guessing you're not doing it the right way. cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/srv/CVSROOT co SYRENE/src By using types, you implementation becomes a lot more readable. Being readable is not enough for being readable aloud. And I think a lot of people here will disagree with you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Brandon Michael Moore
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 02:21:41PM +0100, Will Newton wrote: > On 4/11/07, kynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Perl is a large, ugly, messy language filled with quirks and > >eccentricities, > >while Haskell is an extremely elegant language whose design is guided by a > >few overriding ideas.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread jim burton
kynn wrote: > > Perl is a large, ugly, messy language filled with quirks and > eccentricities, while Haskell is an extremely elegant language whose > design is guided by a few overriding ideas. (Or so I'm told.) > > [snip] > > May I ask why you want to learn it so much, if you find it so ha

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread David Tolpin
If you first language is LISP probably you find easy Haskell and difficult pearl. Hi, my first programming language is lisp (that is, the language I am most fluent in -- recently Common Lisp, earlier Scheme) and I find Haskell a problematic programming language (this is a fresh experience --

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread John Velman
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 05:55:08AM -0700, kynn wrote: > > Perl is a large, ugly, messy language filled with quirks and eccentricities, > while Haskell is an extremely elegant language whose design is guided by a > few overriding ideas. (Or so I'm told.) > > Based on this one would think that it

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Alex Queiroz
Hallo, On 4/11/07, riccardo cagnasso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The post on dons' blog about the cpu scaler is a great example on how haskell can easily used in the day-to-day hacking! Just read it, it's a very nice post. I'm not afraid of math, but it's a relief to see some code I can re

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread riccardo cagnasso
The post on dons' blog about the cpu scaler is a great example on how haskell can easily used in the day-to-day hacking! 2007/4/11, brad clawsie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: i find that don's "haskell hacking blog" has been written with the daily hacker in mind: http://cgi.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/blog<

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread brad clawsie
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 05:55:08AM -0700, kynn wrote: > > Perl is a large, ugly, messy language filled with quirks and eccentricities, > while Haskell is an extremely elegant language whose design is guided by a > few overriding ideas. (Or so I'm told.) i find that don's "haskell hacking blog" h

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Dave Feustel
-Original Message- >From: "Mark T.B. Carroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Apr 11, 2007 10:18 AM >To: kynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org >Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell > >Sorry to hear of y

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Thomas Hartman
I am also coming at haskell from a perl background. While there is some truth to what you say, I do think haskell can be used for "keeping simple things simple" in a way similar to perl. Though you have to search harder since the documentation / tutorials seem to be more optimized for "making har

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Mark T.B. Carroll
Sorry to hear of your struggles. There has been a lot of work lately on writing Haskell tutorials but there's still a long way to go, unfortunately, as I discovered when I tried recently to find the collection of sample code fragments on the wiki that I'm sure are around somewhere. I had the advan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Will Newton
On 4/11/07, kynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perl is a large, ugly, messy language filled with quirks and eccentricities, while Haskell is an extremely elegant language whose design is guided by a few overriding ideas. (Or so I'm told.) Based on this one would think that it would be much easier

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread riccardo cagnasso
My opinion is that "learnin haskell is difficult" is just for the fact that when you learn programming, you probably begin with C / C++ or some other procedural/OO programming language, so you get used to think in these ways, and when you have to switch to functional paradigm, you find it difficou

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why Perl is more learnable than Haskell

2007-04-11 Thread Donald Bruce Stewart
kynnjo: > Perhaps Haskell will never lend itself to something like a Perl one-liner, > but still I wish that there were books on Haskell that focused on making > Haskell useful to the learner as quickly as possible... If such already > exist and I've missed it, please let me know. There's some th