Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: FW: Haskell

2008-04-02 Thread Janis Voigtlaender
apfelmus wrote: Janis Voigtlaender wrote: Loup Vaillant wrote: Thanks to some geniuses (could someone name them?), we have type classes and higher order types in Haskell (and even more). As far as names go: for type classes, of course Wadler, but also Blott and Kaes. for

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: FW: Haskell

2008-04-02 Thread Loup Vaillant
2008/4/2, Janis Voigtlaender [EMAIL PROTECTED]: apfelmus wrote: Janis Voigtlaender wrote: Loup Vaillant wrote: Thanks to some geniuses (could someone name them?), we have type classes and higher order types in Haskell (and even more). As far as names go: for type

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: FW: Haskell

2008-04-02 Thread Janis Voigtlaender
Loup Vaillant wrote: By higher order types, I meant the type of runST (ST monad), or dpSwich (in yampa). I meant things like (forall a, a- b) - a - b That's then usually called higher-rank polymorphic types, just in case you need more keywords for literature search ;-) -- Dr. Janis

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Hans Aberg
On 2 Apr 2008, at 11:22, Henning Thielemann wrote: It seems me it may come from an alteration of math conventions: Normally (x) = x, and function application is written as f(x), except for a few traditional names, like for example sin x. So if one reasons that f(x) can be simplified to f x,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Hans Aberg wrote: On 1 Apr 2008, at 12:40, PR Stanley wrote: Why can't we have function application implemented outwardly (inside-out). So f g x would be applied with gx first followed by its return value passed to f instead of putting g x in brackets. It seems

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
Hans Aberg writes: ... But one should also be able to write (f+g)(x). - This does not work in Haskell, because Num requires an instance of Eq and Show. So, declare them, even if they are vacuous. I did it several times, I am still alive, so no need to say this does not work. Jerzy

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Hans Aberg
On 2 Apr 2008, at 13:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But one should also be able to write (f+g)(x). - This does not work in Haskell, because Num requires an instance of Eq and Show. So, declare them, even if they are vacuous. I did it several times, I am still alive, so no need to say this

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
Hans Aberg comments my remark to his observation: But one should also be able to write (f+g)(x). - This does not work in Haskell, because Num requires an instance of Eq and Show. So, declare them, even if they are vacuous. I did it several times, I am still alive, so no need to say this

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Hans Aberg
On 2 Apr 2008, at 14:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is possible, of course - I did that, too. But it means that the syntax and semantics do not work together; an invitation to pitfalls. So this ought to be avoided, except if there are no other workarounds. I am more tolerant. The

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Hans Aberg
On 2 Apr 2008, at 14:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be better to write a new Prelude. :-) Oh, yes, our common dream... One may not need to write a wholly new Prelude, by something like: module NewPrelude where import Prelude hiding -- Num, (+). class AdditiveSemiMonoid a where

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Loup Vaillant
2008/4/2, Hans Aberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2 Apr 2008, at 14:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be better to write a new Prelude. :-) Oh, yes, our common dream... One may not need to write a wholly new Prelude, by something like: module NewPrelude where import Prelude hiding

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Hans Aberg
On 2 Apr 2008, at 16:20, Loup Vaillant wrote: class AdditiveSemiMonoid a where (+) :: a - a - a Err, why *semi* monoid? Plain monoid would not be accurate? A monoid has a unit: class (AdditiveSemiMonoid a) = AdditiveMonoid a where o :: a The semimonoid is also called semigroup, I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Apr 2, 2008, at 10:27 , Hans Aberg wrote: On 2 Apr 2008, at 16:20, Loup Vaillant wrote: rant While we're at it, what about adding even more classes, like group or ring? Algebra in a whole class hierachy. :-) Only ambition required :-).

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Hans Aberg
On 2 Apr 2008, at 16:30, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: While we're at it, what about adding even more classes, like group or ring? Algebra in a whole class hierachy. :-) Only ambition required :-). http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Mathematical_prelude_discussion --- go nuts. There is

Re: [Haskell-cafe] FW: Haskell

2008-04-02 Thread Martin DeMello
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Dan Weston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nor did I use to take perfectly working code and refactor it until it cried for mercy, and then stay awake wondering if there was some abstraction out there I was missing that would really make it sing. I find myself doing

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Dan Piponi
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM, PR Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All you'd have to do is to give the inner most function the highest precdence What's the innermost function in f g x here? test :: (a - b - c) - a - b - c test f g x = f g x -- Dan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Loup Vaillant
2008/4/2, Dan Piponi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM, PR Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All you'd have to do is to give the inner most function the highest precdence What's the innermost function in f g x here? test :: (a - b - c) - a - b - c test f g x = f g x

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Template Haskell -- when are things evaluated?

2008-04-02 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
| I'm reading the following rule from your answer: | | [|exp|] normally returns the unevaluated AST of exp. However, if exp | contains | local variables, these are lifted using Language.Haskell.TH.lift (i.e. | evaluated | before lifting). | | Is that correct? | | | / Emil | | Yes,

[Haskell-cafe] Role based access control via monads or arrows or... something

2008-04-02 Thread porrifolius
Hello. I've been playing around trying to write a framework to support/enforce access control to resources. So far my efforts have yielded little but bruised forehead and compressed plaster-board. What I'd like is a solution that: (1) prevents access to resources except via a fine-grained

Re: [Haskell-cafe] SYB with class: Bug in Derive.hs module

2008-04-02 Thread Ian Lynagh
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 03:47:04PM +0200, Alexey Rodriguez Yakushev wrote: The Data instance that Derive generates is as follows: instance (Data ctx a, Data ctx (BinTree a), Sat (ctx (BinTree a))) = Data ctx (BinTree a) where

[Haskell-cafe] installing ghc-6.8.2

2008-04-02 Thread michael
It seems there is no ghc 6.8.2 for my version of debian. So I am compiling from source. I ran config with no problem. make generated some errors. I omit all output except the end. Let me know if Ileft something important out please. make all /usr/bin/ghc -H16m -O -w -I. -Iinclude -Rghc-timing

Re: [Haskell-cafe] installing ghc-6.8.2

2008-04-02 Thread Ian Lynagh
On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 07:12:16PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so it's this line that seems of the most interesting cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fno-unit-at-a-time' It looks like your version of ghc isn't designed to be used with the version of gcc you have. Putting this in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: FW: Haskell

2008-04-02 Thread Lennart Augustsson
Mark Jones brought higher order polymorphism to Haskell. On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Janis Voigtlaender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: apfelmus wrote: Janis Voigtlaender wrote: Loup Vaillant wrote: Thanks to some geniuses (could someone name them?), we have type classes and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] installing ghc-6.8.2

2008-04-02 Thread michael
Apologies to Ian, I think I sent him direct mail on my first attempt to reply. Adding those lines to mk/build.mk did not work. I hope Idon't have to build a newer gcc. This is what I have right now. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/gcc$ gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/specs

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Role based access control via monads or arrows or... something

2008-04-02 Thread Luke Palmer
2008/4/2 porrifolius [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (7) ideally required permissions would appear (and accumulate) in type signatures via inference so application code knows which are required and type checker can reject static/dynamic role constraint violations If you mean what I think you mean by

[Haskell-cafe] ANN: hdbc-odbc 1.1.4.1

2008-04-02 Thread John Goerzen
Hi folks, HDBC-ODBC 1.1.4.1 has been uploaded to http://software.complete.org/hdbc-odbc and to Hackage. Bryn Keller reported a build problem on Windows with GHC 6.8.x, which has been fixed. -- John ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Function Precedence

2008-04-02 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Hans Aberg wrote: But one should also be able to write (f+g)(x). - This does not work in Haskell, because Num requires an instance of Eq and Show. You could define these instances with undefined function implementations anyway. But also in a more cleaner type hierarchy