On 29 October 2010 17:33, Gregory Crosswhite wrote:
> Also, this is a complete aside but what the heck. :-)
>
> Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way that Java code and libraries
> are documented? It seems like whenever I try to figure out how to use a
> piece of Java code, the functional
Also, this is a complete aside but what the heck. :-)
Has anyone else been driven crazy by the way that Java code and
libraries are documented? It seems like whenever I try to figure out
how to use a piece of Java code, the functionality is spread out over a
huge collection of classes and me
Or if you want to keep the advantages of a powerful type system, you can
use Scala.
Cheers,
Greg
On 10/28/10 9:53 PM, aditya siram wrote:
I understand your frustration at not having free tested libs
ready-to-go, Java/any-other-mainstream-language programmers tend to
expect this and usually ge
I understand your frustration at not having free tested libs ready-to-go,
Java/any-other-mainstream-language programmers tend to expect this and
usually get it.
If a lack of libs is a dealbreaker for you and you want to use a functional
programming language with some of Haskell's advantages (like
On Oct 27, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Günther Schmidt wrote:
Dear Malcolm,
since there is no mail client library even after 10+ years I suggest
to rethink the approach, because frankly, it's not working.
Hello!
I am in charge, sorry for the delay!
A number of years ago I tried to form a MIME str
> 2) This is a "doocracy" (man do I hate that word!). If there is a problem,
> here's what you should do about it, in descending order of attractiveness:
>
> a) Fix it yourself
>
> b) Pay someone else to fix it
>
> c) Motivate or politely encourage others to fix it, providing moral support,
> etc.
Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote:
> On 29 October 2010 07:53, Daniel Fischer wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 October 2010 22:44:04, Stephen Tetley wrote:
> >> On 28 October 2010 20:59, Don Stewart wrote:
> >>
> >>> P.S. I encourage people to use the online forums: Haskell Reddit
> >>> and Stack Overflow,
On 10/28/10 10:42 AM, Ben Millwood wrote:
Here's the wiki page:
http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/haskell-prime/wiki/CompositionAsDot
Personally I think function composition is what Haskell is all about
and it is absolutely essential that the syntax for it be lightweight.
If we think using . as qu
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Andrew Coppin
wrote:
> On 28/10/2010 12:30 PM, Sebastian Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe we can keep at least the docs without red links.
>>
>> Pick the "Classic" style in the style menu. It will remember your choice.
>
> Yes, at least with new Haddock you can *change
Dear John,
The key point is: you haven't paid any of us for this, and you have
nothing even close to some sort of support contract. I perceive a
sense of entitlement on your part that people owe you no-cost coding.
Would you please stop perceiving this then? Because no I don't. I won't
deny t
On 10/28/2010 07:48 PM, Daniel Peebles wrote:
Would anyone be interested in a project for a full-featured mail
library? I don't think I'm capable of writing the whole thing
myself, but I've started a github project at URL and would be happy
to collaborate in IRC channel #channel o
On 29 October 2010 07:53, Daniel Fischer wrote:
> On Thursday 28 October 2010 22:44:04, Stephen Tetley wrote:
>> On 28 October 2010 20:59, Don Stewart wrote:
>> > "Status of Infrastructure" questions like this are best asked on the
>> > Haskell Reddit.
>>
>> [SNIP]
>>
>> > P.S. I encourage people
Great stuff! I have an improvements to HashMaps that I'm working on
that will hopefully work well here.
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I am happy to announce fundata1 -- the largest-ever program per RAM allocation
in Haskell, originally implemented in Clojure and then OCaml and Haskell for
social network modeling.
http://github.com/alexy/fundata1
It has now become the first large-scale social networking benchmark with a real
>
> There is this one posters who likes to repeatedly point out how none of his
> programs ever needed email, so how could it be a problem then. Well good for
> him, but in my experience it's needed.
This is the main issue I think people had with your original posts. You say
"good for him, but I
Hello Lennart,
Am 29.10.10 01:44, schrieb Lennart Augustsson:
It's working just fine. I've never wanted a mail client library. :)
Yes, that is wonderful, I'm really happy for you :P
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Dear John,
Am 29.10.10 01:23, schrieb John Goerzen:
On 10/28/2010 05:44 PM, Günther Schmidt wrote:
There is no need for a mail client library on many platforms. Just
pipe the data to /usr/sbin/sendmail and poof. Done.
That would work well for sending (on Unix), but not for receiving.
Quite
Hi,
thanks to all participants for the funny meeting! I had a lot of fun and
I'm looking forward to see you again.
Best,
Daniel
Sönke Hahn schrieb:
Hi all!
There will be an informal Haskell meeting in Berlin.
Date: Thursday, October 28th
Time: from 20:00
Location: c-base, Rungestrasse 20,
On 10/27/10 1:13 AM, Dmitry V'yal wrote:
Code I wrote works quite well for my purposes and I copied it into
several my programs. In order to make maintenance easier I recently
thought about uploading it to hackage. But given a wast amount of
half-dead packages with intersecting functionality ther
It's working just fine. I've never wanted a mail client library. :)
-- Lennart
2010/10/27 Günther Schmidt :
> Dear Malcolm,
>
> since there is no mail client library even after 10+ years I suggest to
> rethink the approach, because frankly, it's not working.
>
> Günther
> _
On 28 October 2010 16:48, Kevin Jardine wrote:
> To be fair to the Haddock designer, red links are common these days.
>
> Here's two examples (among many):
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/
> http://www.slate.com/
>
> In the second case the site uses blue, black *and* red links to
> distinguish different
On 10/28/2010 05:44 PM, Günther Schmidt wrote:
There is no need for a mail client library on many platforms. Just
pipe the data to /usr/sbin/sendmail and poof. Done.
That would work well for sending (on Unix), but not for receiving.
Quite true. For receiving, we have tools like fetchmail, im
Dear John,
Am 28.10.10 23:57, schrieb John Goerzen:
On 10/27/2010 10:08 AM, Günther Schmidt wrote:
Dear Malcolm,
since there is no mail client library even after 10+ years I suggest to
rethink the approach, because frankly, it's not working.
Why do you keep suggesting this?
http://hackage.h
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:05 PM, John Goerzen wrote:
> On 10/27/2010 01:22 PM, Donn Cave wrote:
>>
>> Don't know, but probably challenging enough to make it worth challenging
>> the assumption that Python now has a good email library.
>>
>>> From a cursory look at the 3.0 library documentation, it
On 28/10/10 17:14, Bryan O'Sullivan wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Magnus Therning wrote:
>
>> Fair enough. Do you have enough buy-in to make sure that the github
>> organisation becomes the best location for *all* HP packages?
>>
>> That is, can I stop going to Hackage to find the home
On 10/27/2010 01:22 PM, Donn Cave wrote:
Don't know, but probably challenging enough to make it worth challenging
the assumption that Python now has a good email library.
From a cursory look at the 3.0 library documentation, it looks to
me like IMAP support still means the old imaplib module.
On 10/27/2010 11:55 AM, Ketil Malde wrote:
What does "essential" mean? Something a hypothetical dictator wants,
but nobody else? For surely, if your email library was so essential,
it'd be included among the hundreds of libraries on Hackage? Perhaps it
is a lot less important than you think?
On 10/27/2010 10:08 AM, Günther Schmidt wrote:
Dear Malcolm,
since there is no mail client library even after 10+ years I suggest to
rethink the approach, because frankly, it's not working.
Why do you keep suggesting this?
http://hackage.haskell.org/package/WashNGo
There is no need for a mai
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:34, Andrew Coppin
wrote:
> Today I uploaded a package to Hackage, and rediscovered something that you
> already know: I'm an idiot.
>
> More specifically, I copied the Cabal description from another package and
> then updated all the fields. Except that I forgot to updat
On Thursday 28 October 2010 22:44:04, Stephen Tetley wrote:
> On 28 October 2010 20:59, Don Stewart wrote:
> > "Status of Infrastructure" questions like this are best asked on the
> > Haskell Reddit.
>
> [SNIP]
>
> > P.S. I encourage people to use the online forums: Haskell Reddit and
> > Stack Ov
stephen.tetley:
> On 28 October 2010 20:59, Don Stewart wrote:
> >
> > "Status of Infrastructure" questions like this are best asked on the
> > Haskell Reddit.
>
> [SNIP]
>
> > P.S. I encourage people to use the online forums: Haskell Reddit and Stack
> > Overflow, as a lot of the question-answe
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:44:04 +0200, Stephen Tetley
wrote:
P.S. I encourage people to use the online forums: Haskell Reddit and
Stack
Overflow, as a lot of the question-answering activity has shifted there
now, away from -cafe@
Err, Why?
Having to track three places for information rather t
On 28 October 2010 20:59, Don Stewart wrote:
>
> "Status of Infrastructure" questions like this are best asked on the
> Haskell Reddit.
[SNIP]
> P.S. I encourage people to use the online forums: Haskell Reddit and Stack
> Overflow, as a lot of the question-answering activity has shifted there
>
gcross:
> On 10/28/10 12:34 PM, Andrew Coppin wrote:
>> More specifically, I copied the Cabal description from another package
>> and then updated all the fields. Except that I forgot to update one.
>> And now I have a package which I've erroneously placed in completely
>> the wrong category.
On 10/28/10 12:34 PM, Andrew Coppin wrote:
More specifically, I copied the Cabal description from another package
and then updated all the fields. Except that I forgot to update one.
And now I have a package which I've erroneously placed in completely
the wrong category.
I am glad to hear that
On 28/10/2010 12:30 PM, Sebastian Fischer wrote:
Maybe we can keep at least the docs without red links.
Pick the "Classic" style in the style menu. It will remember your choice.
Yes, at least with new Haddock you can *change* the style without having
to actually patch (and recompile) Haddock
Today I uploaded a package to Hackage, and rediscovered something that
you already know: I'm an idiot.
More specifically, I copied the Cabal description from another package
and then updated all the fields. Except that I forgot to update one. And
now I have a package which I've erroneously pla
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 19:06, Andrew Coppin
wrote:
> On 28/10/2010 09:25 AM, Erik Hesselink wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 23:09, Andrew Coppin
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> GHC has a _parallel_ GC implementation, meaning that the GC event runs in
>>> parallel on several cores. But it does not (yet)
"Sittampalam, Ganesh" writes:
> Have you tried passing -optl-static to ghc (which causes -static to be
> passed to ld)?
It used to be: -optl-static -optl-pthread
But it doesn't seem to work anymore on my install.
% ./a.out
a.out: ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/getpagesize.c:32: __getpagesize: A
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Dupont Corentin
wrote:
> EAp :: Exp ref (a -> b) -> Exp ref a -> Exp ref b
> It's from which DSL? It is accessible on the net?
It's my own, just written off the top of my head as an example.
Accessible "on the net": yes, it's in your email. there's nothing
more.
On 28/10/2010 09:25 AM, Erik Hesselink wrote:
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 23:09, Andrew Coppin
wrote:
GHC has a _parallel_ GC implementation, meaning that the GC event runs in
parallel on several cores. But it does not (yet) have _concurrent_ GC,
meaning that a GC event can happen at the same time
Conor McBride wrote:
> Is there some way I can get some more static linking to happen?
> I did poke about online a bit and found some remarks to the effect
> that GHC got so much more portable after switching to the dynamic
> libffi. That sounds great, but tough luck for me.
>
> So, being both
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Magnus Therning wrote:
> Fair enough. Do you have enough buy-in to make sure that the github
> organisation becomes the best location for *all* HP packages?
>
> That is, can I stop going to Hackage to find the home for HP packages?
That's never been our intentio
Hi again
This is what happens when you write actual for-users for-running
programs, I guess. It's been a while...
I've been writing some software with Network.CGI etc, which we
run on the deparmental web server for my students to use. But
we just had a bit of an upgrade on the system, and now (o
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Magnus Therning wrote:
> Fair enough. Do you have enough buy-in to make sure that the github
> organisation becomes the best location for *all* HP packages?
>
> That is, can I stop going to Hackage to find the home for HP packages?
Probably not. I don't want to f
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 15:58, Johan Tibell wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Magnus Therning wrote:
>> If I, as the developer of the FOO Haskell package, want to move to use
>> github, can I get a source repo under that organisation as well?
>> I'm asking since I am considering taking s
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:41 AM, John Lato wrote:
> Similarly, what's the remit of the Haskell organization on github? Is the
> intention to be an umbrella for any haskell package, or more restricted? I
> have the same question as Magnus (although in my case I took over something
> on github; if
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Magnus Therning wrote:
> If I, as the developer of the FOO Haskell package, want to move to use
> github, can I get a source repo under that organisation as well?
> I'm asking since I am considering taking some of my packages from
> patch-tag to github (it's reall
To be fair to the Haddock designer, red links are common these days.
Here's two examples (among many):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.slate.com/
In the second case the site uses blue, black *and* red links to
distinguish different types of content. They are all in bold and
underline when hover
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:12 AM, John Smith wrote:
> On 28/10/2010 10:15, Alexander Kjeldaas wrote:
>>
>> Hi haskellers.
>>
>> Reading through the Haskell Prime suggestions, one that caught my eye is
>> the CompositionAsDot issue.
>>
>> I'm especially thinking of the Pro issue:
>> * Paves the way
On Thursday 28 October 2010 15:08:09, Conor McBride wrote:
> So I poked about a bit, and I see it's a known issue. As a user, I'm
> wondering what to do.
Try with HTTP-4000.0.9 instead of 4000.0.7?
>
> Just now,
>
> wget http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/00-index.tar.gz
>
> is chuggi
2010-10-28 12:09, Dupont Corentin skrev:
I'm also looking at the Atom's DSL to get inspiration.
Something I don't understand in it is that it has two languages, on typed:
data E a where
VRef :: V a -> E a
Const:: a -> E a
Cast :: (NumE a, NumE b) => E a -
Thanks for your responses.
Of course I already test every pure parts of my program easily.
For now, user input is treated in 2 different ways:
- direct IO with hgetLine and like functions (blocking)
- the same but I directly push the strings on a TChan for another thread to
treat them (not blockin
Hi
I've just installed cabal-install (just as a user: I am nowhere
near root) on our unix server at work. That went fine.
Clearly, the sensible thing to do next is get hold of an up-to-date
package list. So, I tried
co...@cafe:~$ cabal update
Downloading the latest package list from hackage.has
This is really cool.
The blog post [3] finally explained to me why I had so much difficulties
implementing the Equal constructor ;)
I shared this in a previous thread:
http://osdir.com/ml/haskell-cafe@haskell.org/2010-06/msg00369.html
Maybe latter I'll shift to a class type based DSL. They seem mo
I think you would love to have a look at AwesomePrelude[1] or a fork
of AwesomePrelude using associated types[2]
Some more background information by Tom Lokhorst [3][4].
[1] http://github.com/tomlokhorst/AwesomePrelude
[2] http://github.com/urso/AwesomePrelude
[3] http://tom.lokhorst.eu/2009/09/de
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Martijn Schrage wrote:
> On 27-10-10 16:20, Victor Nazarov wrote:
>>
>> Very cool. I'll incorporate your changes, If you don't mind.
>
> Not at all.
>>
>> However, I have some minor remarks.
>> You shouldn't override hscall function, or you may break partial
>> app
Maybe we can keep at least the docs without red links.
Pick the "Classic" style in the style menu. It will remember your
choice.
Sebastian
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if I could move to darcs and preserve history I would.
Search for "git fastexport" and "darcs-fastconvert".
Regards,
Malcolm
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> I'm sure there are a number of bugs waiting to be discovered, my own
> testing hasn't been overly extensive. I'm setting up a trac, will
> follow up with its location once it's up.
http://trac.haskell.org/language-java
Cheers,
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Hi café,
I found myself in need of a source manipulation suite for Java code. A
hackage search turned up nothing, so I wrote one:
http://hackage.haskell.org/package/language-java
I'm sure there are a number of bugs waiting to be discovered, my own
testing hasn't been overly extensive. I'm settin
Maybe we can keep at least the docs without red links. It's very eye tiring to
read. One option is to keep the links black with :hover red.
[]s
Victor
On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Michael Snoyman wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Christopher Done
> wrote:
>> On 28 October 2010 03:41, V
On 28/10/2010 10:15, Alexander Kjeldaas wrote:
Hi haskellers.
Reading through the Haskell Prime suggestions, one that caught my eye is the
CompositionAsDot issue.
I'm especially thinking of the Pro issue:
* Paves the way for using . as the selection operator in improved record or
module syst
Thank you for your rich responses.
Indeed I think I miss some thinks in my DSL, that would make things easier
to deal with lists and first class functions.
I don't really know what for now.
Perhaps a List Constructor? Or a constructor on functions like yours Ryan?
EAp :: Exp ref (a -> b) -> Exp re
Dmitry V'yal writes:
> On 27.10.2010 13:16, Andy Stewart wrote:
>> Christopher Done writes:
>>
>>> On 27 October 2010 10:13, Dmitry V'yal wrote:
While ago I had a question about opening the url in the default browser
from
haskell program. I didn't get any immediate answers so I
>
> From: Magnus Therning
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 22:53, Johan Tibell
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > To ease my maintenance burden, I've moved the network package repo to:
> >
> > Â Â http://github.com/haskell/network
> >
> > Patches are accepted either in the git mbox format, as normal (diff)
On 28 October 2010 10:15, Alexander Kjeldaas
wrote:
> I think I recognize this issue from common lisp. Basically the code becomes
> verbose because accessor functions usually need to redundantly encode the
> name of the module or struct in its name. The alternative is to require
> users to impor
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 23:09, Andrew Coppin
wrote:
> On 27/10/2010 05:00 PM, John Lato wrote:
>>
>> I am somewhat surprised that all capabilities must be ready for GC; I
>> thought with the parallel GC that wouldn't be necessary. But I don't know
>> much about GC implementations so I try not to
Hi haskellers.
Reading through the Haskell Prime suggestions, one that caught my eye is the
CompositionAsDot issue.
I'm especially thinking of the Pro issue:
* Paves the way for using . as the selection operator in improved record or
module systems
I think I recognize this issue from common lisp
Antoine Latter writes:
>> I have posted to this list for over 3 years now and until lately it was an
>> enlightening experience. The responses to my questions have usually been
>> helpful and friendly.
Right - in most cases, the Haskell community is fanatically non-hostile.
At least compared to
On 27.10.2010 13:16, Andy Stewart wrote:
Christopher Done writes:
On 27 October 2010 10:13, Dmitry V'yal wrote:
While ago I had a question about opening the url in the default browser from
haskell program. I didn't get any immediate answers so I wrote my own
solution. On Linux it uses xdg-op
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Christopher Done
wrote:
> On 28 October 2010 03:41, Victor Oliveira wrote:
>> Hi Cafe,
>>
>> I really liked the new colors of haskell theme, but...
>>
>> Is really red a good color for links? At least for me, red links looks like
>> broken or already visited one
On 28 October 2010 03:41, Victor Oliveira wrote:
> Hi Cafe,
>
> I really liked the new colors of haskell theme, but...
>
> Is really red a good color for links? At least for me, red links looks like
> broken or already visited ones.
>
> And the worst is hackage docs. It is really eye tiring to r
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 22:53, Johan Tibell wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> To ease my maintenance burden, I've moved the network package repo to:
>
> http://github.com/haskell/network
>
> Patches are accepted either in the git mbox format, as normal (diff)
> patch files, or as GitHub pull requests.
>
> P
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