Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform and Leksah on Windows

[Vagif Verdi]

While your friend is wrong to blame haskell on his leksah installation 
problems i think the culprit here is the leksah web site.
It misinforms users saying that leksah runs on windows. It's like Blizzard 
saying Diablo 3 runs on linux because there are reports of linux users 
successfully running Diablo 3 with wine and some winetricks wodoo.

Leksah is a linux program intented to run on linux. You can (in some cases) 
successfully install and run it on windows, but you would need to go 
through certain steps installing some unrelated to windows software (gtk 
etc)

I would recommend leksah maintainers to change the language on their 
website to prevent future problems like this.

Currently the only more or less full featured haskell IDEs legitimately 
running on windows are EclipseFP and perhaps abandoned VS plugin.

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 10:18:51 PM UTC-7, Mihai Maruseac wrote:
>
> Hello, 
>
> A friend of mine tried to install Haskell Platform and Leksah on 
> Windows and was troubled by the amount of problems he encountered as a 
> beginner in this. I've told him to ask over IRC and mailing list but 
> it seems he has some problems with registration. 
>
> Anyway, he blogged about his problems at 
> http://dorinlazar.ro/haskell-platform-windows-crippled/ and I'm sure 
> that we can work on fixing some of them. 
> -- 
> MM 
> "All we have to decide is what we do with the time that is given to us" 
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell platform broken in ubuntu

[Vagif Verdi]

13.04 has packages for ghc 7.6.2

It is easy to install latest haskell platform though.

Just run this script: https://github.com/chrisprobst/ubuntu-raring-haskell


On Friday, October 4, 2013 8:11:46 PM UTC-7, rusi wrote:
>
> I just upgraded my ubuntu laptop to 13.04 and haskell platform is gone!!
>
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/286764/how-to-install-haskell-platform-for-ubuntu-13-04
>
> What is the current status on this?
> Is 13.10 going to correct this?
>  
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell platform broken in ubuntu

[Vagif Verdi]

That will give you only ghc 7.6.2. If you want latest haskell-platform, 
source compile is the only option. And btw it is not THAT painful :)
You run the script, wait 2-3 minutes and tada!

On Friday, October 4, 2013 8:44:29 PM UTC-7, rusi wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Vagif Verdi 
> > wrote:
>
>> 13.04 has packages for ghc 7.6.2
>>
>> It is easy to install latest haskell platform though.
>>
>> Just run this script: 
>> https://github.com/chrisprobst/ubuntu-raring-haskell
>>
>>
> I was hoping that something a little less painful than a full from-source 
> install is available/known.
>
> At  
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/286764/how-to-install-haskell-platform-for-ubuntu-13-04
>  
> I find this -- basically the platform dependencies seem to have been made 
> explicit. 
>
> sudo apt-get install ghc alex cabal-install happy libghc-cgi-dev 
> libghc-fgl-dev libghc-glut-dev libghc-haskell-src-dev libghc-html-dev 
> libghc-http-dev libghc-hunit-dev libghc-mtl-dev libghc-network-dev 
> libghc-opengl-dev libghc-parallel-dev libghc-parsec3-dev 
>  libghc-quickcheck2-dev libghc-regex-base-dev libghc-regex-compat-dev 
>  libghc-regex-posix-dev libghc-stm-dev libghc-syb-dev  libghc-text-dev 
>  libghc-transformers-dev  libghc-xhtml-dev libghc-zlib-dev
>
> I was wondering if others know it as an ok approach or are there problems?
>
> Rusi
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell platform broken in ubuntu

[Vagif Verdi]

Oops my bad. The script downloads and installs binary, already compiled 
ghc. 

So it certainly does not take 2 hours, i just did it on 2 computers and it 
takes less than a couple of minutes. I did not though install the entire 
haskell platform, only ghc itself.

On Friday, October 4, 2013 10:19:39 PM UTC-7, rusi wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Vagif Verdi 
> > wrote:
>
>> That will give you only ghc 7.6.2. If you want latest haskell-platform, 
>> source compile is the only option. And btw it is not THAT painful :)
>> You run the script, wait 2-3 minutes and tada!
>>
>>
> Ok so someone is very confused -- maybe me :-)
>
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/286764/how-to-install-haskell-platform-for-ubuntu-13-04
>
> seems to say that compiling from source takes like two full nights!!
>  
> Am I missing something?
>
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[Haskell-cafe] Copy .cabal folder to diff machine/user

[Vagif Verdi]

Is it possible to copy .cabal and .ghc folders to different machine/
user and develop same project over there ?

Or is the only way to allow a team of developers to work on the same
project is to force each one of them to install all necessary packages
on their machines.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Copy .cabal folder to diff machine/user

[Vagif Verdi]

The problem is, i tried and it does not work. Cabal has absolute paths
hardcoded in many places.
So just copying folders does not work unless you copy it under the
same home folder.

On Dec 30, 4:16 pm, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic 
wrote:
> On 31 December 2011 10:49, Vagif Verdi  wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to copy .cabal and .ghc folders to different machine/
> > user and develop same project over there ?
>
> If you have the same version of GHC and necessary C libraries on all
> machines, and they're all using the same architecture (e.g. all
> x86_64) then it might be possible.
>
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Requesting Feedback: I Love Haskell, but can't find a place to use it

[Vagif Verdi]

Besides our web app and batch pdf generation procedures, i use haskell for 
internal one-off tasks.
Often i am being asked to import various data to database from text/excel 
files. Haskell is an excellent tool for this.


On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:30:28 PM UTC-7, Jonathan Geddes wrote:
>
> I love Haskell. It is my absolute favorite language. But I have a very 
> hard time finding places where I can actually use it!
>
> I had hoped that compiling Haskell to C with -fvia-C (or would it be just 
> -C?) would allow Haskell to run in new, uncharted territory such as Android 
> (with NDK), IOS, Google's NaCl, etc. But today I learned that GHC's C 
> backend has been deprecated!  Is it more difficult than I am imagining to 
> get Haskell to work in these environments? Is it simply a matter of low 
> interest in this kind of work? Or something more fundamental? Am I missing 
> something?
>
> I'm hoping that the Haskell->JavaScript efforts will mature enough to make 
> Haskell viable for client-side web apps. (I think the first sign of this 
> will be a self-hosting Haskell->JavaScript compiler.)
>
> I use Haskell for Server-Side code with various web frameworks, but over 
> the years more and more of the app logic is moved into client-side 
> JavaScript, leaving the server-side code as little more than a simple 
> validation and security layer over the database and other services. Haskell 
> doesn't have any trouble with this, of course, but it's not exactly a role 
> where it can shine. (Of course this is not true of ALL server-side code, 
> just the kind of apps I have been writing.)
>
> So anyway I'd like to request feedback: where can I use Haskell besides 
> simple CLI utilities, dull server code, or project Euler problems? Even if 
> it's just to contribute to getting Haskell in the environments mentioned 
> above, any feedback is welcome!
>
> Thanks for reading,
>
> --J Arthur
>
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[Haskell-cafe] hiring haskell programmer.

[Vagif Verdi]

Hello. 
My company is looking to hire a haskell developer. South California 
(San Dimas), full time job, local only (no telecommute) 

We use yesod (haskell web framework) for internal web application and 
web services, and compojure (clojure web framework) for customer 
facing web site. 

All development will be ether with haskell (if libraries permit) or 
clojure on JVM. 

If interested please contact me. 

Regards, 
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

[Vagif Verdi]

Arch does not keep 2 python packages. There are simply 2 pythons (different 
programs). And this is true not only for Arch but for practically any other 
distro.

Obvious solution for arch is IgnorePkg in the pacman.conf. That's what i 
did (until Yesod officially supports newest ghc).


On Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:24:16 PM UTC-7, timoth...@seznam.cz wrote:
>
> Actually Arch has been accommodating in other cases when there was a 
> stable library and a new/developing.  It certainly keeps around two 
> versions of python, autoconf, GTK, qt, gambas...  The solution I'm 
> proposing would be a little different than those cases, but on the same 
> principle.
>
> Timothy
> -- Původní zpráva --
> Od: Patrick Palka >
> Datum: 28. 10. 2012
> Předmět: Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, >wrote:
>
>   There seems to be a bit of a clash between ghc being a tool, and ghc 
> being a toy.  There need not be.  Your works-for-me is great but it is 
> meaningless to those of us who use ghc as a tool for larger projects.
>
> This is not specific to GHC. Arch Linux, being a bleeding-edge Linux 
> distribution, tends to prefer newer versions of software over more stable 
> versions of software. I doubt that facet of Arch Linux will ever change, so 
> perhaps you should reevaluate your choice of Linux distribution or avoid 
> pacman/package updates for software whose stability and predictability is 
> critical to you.
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

[Vagif Verdi]

I fail to see how a fringe bleeding edge linux distro undermines a haskell 
platform.

Arch is bleeding edge. Haskell Platform is not. It is logical for a 
bleeding edge distro to include latest packages.

If you want a good support, use distros that provide such support and 
stability. Last i checked Ubuntu ships haskell platform and not the latest 
ghc.

Having said that, Arch DOES provide easy solution to this problem. Just put 
IgnorePkg in your pacman.conf.

You are complaining on the wrong forum, to the wrong people about the 
behavior natural for a bleeding edge distro.

On Monday, October 29, 2012 6:54:59 AM UTC-7, Brandon Allbery wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Magnus Therning 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Now I'm going to run the risk of upsetting you quite a bit by being
>> completely blunt.
>>
>
> Indeed.
>  
>
>> You come across in your mail like someone who has thought through your
>> own situation, but fail to see the larger picture.  You do know *your*
>>
>
> May I ask you a question, then?
>
> Does the Haskell Platform have any reason to exist?
>
> Supposedly, the Haskell community backs the Haskell Platform as the way 
> that most users should be using the Platform.  Yet we have here a vendor 
> platform which does not support it, and newcomers who notice this and 
> question it are chastised for not thinking about the needs of other people. 
>  This suggests that the Haskell Platform is unimportant and perhaps 
> disruptive to some significant group of people... is this so?
>
> And then, looking at your own message, I must ask:  have you considered 
> that the Platform is aimed at the great many people who do not have large 
> amounts of expertise maintaining their own personal Haskell ecosystem.  Or 
> are your needs so important that these people must in fact be told to deal?
>
> Or, to phrase in your own words:
>
> You come across in your mail like someone who has thought through your
>> own situation, but fail to see the larger picture.
>
>
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Yesod 0.7.1 using GHC 7.0.2 on Arch Linux

[vagif . verdi]

No, it is not solved.
With -fproduction flag you are loosing devel-server functionality.

On Saturday, March 12, 2011 02:45:11 PM Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:
> Oh, I just noticed the other thread about this issue.  Compiling Yesod
> with the -fproduction flag solved it.
> 
> Thanks to Michael for that.
> 
> 
> Greets,
> Ertugrul
> 
> Ertugrul Soeylemez  wrote:
> > Hello Ryan,
> > 
> > thanks a lot.
> > 
> > Is there a workaround for this, until it's fixed?
> > 
> > 
> > Greets,
> > Ertugrul
> > 
> > Ryan Yates  wrote:
> > > Looks to be reported here:
> > > 
> > > http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/5004
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ryan
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Ertugrul Soeylemez  wrote:
> > > > Hello there,
> > > > 
> > > > today I have upgraded to GHC 7.0.2 by doing a system update on my
> > > > Arch Linux box (x86, 32 bits), and I'm having difficulties to
> > > > install Yesod. Its dependencies seem to have been installed without
> > > > problems, but the
> > > > 
> > > > Yesod package itself fails.  The complete build log follows:
> > > >% cabal install yesod
> > > >Resolving dependencies...
> > > >Configuring yesod-0.7.1...
> > > >Preprocessing library yesod-0.7.1...
> > > >Preprocessing executables for yesod-0.7.1...
> > > >Building yesod-0.7.1...
> > > >[1 of 1] Compiling Yesod( Yesod.hs, dist/build/Yesod.o
> > > >) Registering yesod-0.7.1...
> > > >[1 of 2] Compiling CodeGen  ( CodeGen.hs,
> > > > 
> > > > dist/build/yesod/yesod-tmp/CodeGen.o )
> > > > 
> > > >[2 of 2] Compiling Main ( scaffold.hs,
> > > > 
> > > > dist/build/yesod/yesod-tmp/Main.o )
> > > > 
> > > >Loading package ghc-prim ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package integer-gmp ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package base ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package bytestring-0.9.1.10 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package base64-bytestring-0.1.0.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package array-0.3.0.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package containers-0.4.0.0 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package cereal-0.3.0.0 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package filepath-1.2.0.0 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package old-locale-1.0.0.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package old-time-1.0.0.6 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package unix-2.4.2.0 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package directory-1.1.0.0 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package binary-0.5.0.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package data-default-0.2.0.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package tagged-0.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package crypto-api-0.5.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package pureMD5-2.1.0.3 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package pretty-1.0.1.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package template-haskell ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package transformers-0.2.2.0 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package deepseq-1.1.0.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package text-0.11.0.5 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package blaze-builder-0.2.1.4 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package blaze-html-0.4.1.0 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package file-embed-0.0.3.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package time-1.2.0.3 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package unix-compat-0.2.1.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package enumerator-0.4.7 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package mtl-2.0.1.0 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package parsec-3.1.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package network-2.2.1.10 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package wai-0.3.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package utf8-string-0.3.6 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package web-routes-0.23.4 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package wai-app-static-0.0.1.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package random-1.0.0.3 ... linking ... done.
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> > > >Loading package failure-0.1.0.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package extensible-exceptions-0.1.1.2 ... linking ...
> > > >done. Loading package QuickCheck-2.4.0.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package blaze-builder-enumerator-0.2.0.1 ... linking ...
> > > >done. Loading package json-types-0.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package json-enumerator-0.0.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package hamlet-0.7.2 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package monad-peel-0.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package zlib-0.5.3.1 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package zlib-bindings-0.0.0 ... linking ... done.
> > > >Loading package wai-ext

[Haskell-cafe] hdbc-odbc adds a space to the value

[vagif . verdi]

I have a weird problem ?
When preparing sql statements with ? placeholders, hdbc-odbc adds a space to a 
string value at the end.

run conn "update sometable set somefield = ? where id = ?" [SqlString "bla", 
toSql 10]

Database: Ms Sql Server 2005.
Driver: FreeTds on linux

Please help!

Regards,
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] hdbc-odbc adds a space to the value

[vagif . verdi]

Latest from hackage: 2.2.3.2

On Wednesday, March 23, 2011 01:58:52 PM you wrote:
> On 03/23/2011 06:43 AM, Gershom Bazerman wrote:
> >> I've run into that bug too. I'm pretty sure its an issue with
> >> hdbc-odbc, but haven't wanted to patch it without testing it across a
> >> few other configurations, which I haven't had time/found
> >> straightforward to do.
> > 
> > I should add, for those interested, where I think the bug is. In the
> > bindCol method of Statement.hsc, there's the following:
> > 
> > rc2 <- sqlBindParameter sthptr (fromIntegral icol)
> > #{const SQL_PARAM_INPUT}
> > #{const SQL_C_CHAR} coltype
> > (if isOK rc1 then colsize else fromIntegral cslen + 1) decdigits
> > csptr (fromIntegral cslen + 1) pcslen
> > 
> > Either one or both of the "fromIntegral csLen + 1" expressions shouldn't
> > have the "+ 1".
> 
> What version of HDBC-ODBC are those of you with the problem running?  I
> believe a fix for this was recently checked into my git tree.
> 
> -- John
> 
> > Cheers,
> > Gershom
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Lisp Curse

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Andrew, you are being non constructive.

You are saying "We" should.
Who "we", Andrew ? Who are you referring to ?
The developers who created those six different unicode libraries are not united 
under any umbrella you can call "we".

The reason those six libraries existis is NOT because some mysterious secret 
"we" commitee decided to have six incompatible libraries.

And the maintainers of hackage has better things to do than to police and make 
arbitrary decisions what should or should not be "allowed" to hackage.

Also hackage is NOT a standard library, just like SourceForge or Github is not 
a standard library. It's just a hosting for haskell libraries.

If you want someone tell you what to use, there's an effort in that direction: 
haskell platform. And their attitue is constructive. They don't demand that 
"we" (whoever that is) do or do not do something. They compile their own set 
of libraries and announce about their existence.

Go lobby them to include one blessed unicode library.


On Thursday, May 19, 2011 01:20:50 PM Andrew Coppin wrote:
> On 19/05/2011 08:39 PM, Stephen Tetley wrote:
> > Och Mr Coppin
> > 
> > Lisp is a fine language, but all "Lisp" essays you'll find on the
> > internet except Richard Gabriel's "Worse is Better" are absolute tosh.
> 
> This wasn't an attempt to bash Lisp.
> 
> This is about all those people who think having multiple libraries which
> only solve half the problem is somehow a "good thing".
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[Haskell-cafe] Job position for haskell/clojure dev. in San Dimas, CA

[vagif . verdi]

Anyone interested in full time employment working with haskell and 
clojure in San Dimas, CA (local job only, NO telecommute) please let 
me know.

Regards,
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Job position for haskell/clojure dev. in San Dimas, CA

[Vagif Verdi]

Sorry, forgot to mention, and i already got questions about it. No
worker visa sponsorship, no relocation from abroad. US only.


On Jun 20, 2:39 pm, vagif.ve...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anyone interested in full time employment working with haskell and
> clojure in San Dimas, CA (local job only, NO telecommute) please let
> me know.
>
> Regards,
> Vagif Verdi
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

[vagif . verdi]

That's a clever way to build your resume. :))
Someone looking at his numerous contacts with haskell community may think 
"Wow, this guys is some sort of haskell guru. Better bring him in for our 
stock market division."

On Sunday, August 14, 2011 01:02:42 PM Daniel Patterson wrote:
> lol. I don't know Andrew Smith. How about y'all?
> 
> On Aug 14, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Smith B.Sc(Hons),MBA wrote:
> > LinkedIn
> > I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
> > 
> > - Andrew
> > 
> > Andrew Smith B.Sc(Hons),MBA
> > Founder and CEO at VTRL - Value Technology Research Ltd
> > Edinburgh, United Kingdom
> > Confirm that you know Andrew
> > 
> > © 2011, LinkedIn Corporation
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[Haskell-cafe] haskell/clojure job opprtunity

[Vagif Verdi]

Hello.
My company is looking to hire a haskell developer. South California
(San Dimas), full time job, local only (no telecommute)

We use yesod (haskell web framework) for internal web application and
web services, and compojure (clojure web framework) for customer
facing web site.

All development will be ether with haskell (if libraries permit) or
clojure on JVM.

If interested please contact me.

Regards,
Vagif Verdi

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell/clojure job opprtunity

[Vagif Verdi]

No reasons at all. It's just historically been been written in java.
(about 10 years ago)
Most of the web site can be done in haskell. Some functionality though
requires java (pdf library). If haskell has pdf library with similar
functionality then al of it can be done in haskell. Going forward we
intend to use haskell where it is possible and fall back to clojure/
java only when no suited library exists for haskell.


On Nov 10, 12:42 am, Herbert Valerio Riedel  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 15:06 -0800, Vagif Verdi wrote:
> > We use yesod (haskell web framework) for internal web application and
> > web services, and compojure (clojure web framework) for customer
> > facing web site.
>
> Just out of curiousity: Are there specific reasons for not using Haskell
> on the customer facing side as well?
>
> Cheers,
> hvr
>
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