Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-30 Thread Peter Simons
Hi Vagif, > I fail to see how a fringe bleeding edge linux distro undermines a > haskell platform. Arch Linux does not comply to the Haskell Platform. That fact communicates to users of the distribution: "We, the maintainers, don't believe that HP is relevant." Clearly, this undermines the Hask

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Fabio Riga
2012/10/29 : > To be clear, the project ArchHaskell has little or no relation to my > original post. If I understand correctly, ArchHaskell is a set of Arch uses > who attempted to repackage the packages in hackage in the AUR. Not exactly. ArchHaskell try to keep an ArchLinux repository of Haskel

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Vagif Verdi
I fail to see how a fringe bleeding edge linux distro undermines a haskell platform. Arch is bleeding edge. Haskell Platform is not. It is logical for a bleeding edge distro to include latest packages. If you want a good support, use distros that provide such support and stability. Last i chec

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Peter Simons
Hi Timothy, the Haskell community is not the right audience to be addressing these complaints to. Instead, you should be talking to the ArchLinux developers, who are responsible for packaging Haskell-related software in the [core] and [extra] repositories. I am no expert in these matters, but my g

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread timothyhobbs
dvanced user I don't really have any trouble working around the issue.  But I'd like Arch to be inviting to newbies and to have what most of us more experienced users implement manually by default. Timothy -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Malcolm Wallace Datum: 29. 10. 2012 Př

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Malcolm Wallace
I think you will find that the Original Poster did not ask about ArchHaskell, but rather about Haskell on the Arch platform. He was completely unaware of ArchHaskell as a project. This might be a source of some confusion, and help to explain divergent attitudes. Regards, Malcolm On 29 Oc

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Magnus Therning
Please stay on topic, this is *not* a discussion about Haskell Platform[1], it's a discussion on ArchHaskell[2]. Please read up on the mailing list archives first, and then, if you still feel there's a need to discuss HP in ArchHaskell (which isn't the same thing as Arch itself) then please start

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Ramana Kumar
If all you want is the Haskell Platform, I believe the Arch policy is to provide all those packages in the official [extra] repository. (If those are broken because of the new ghc, just use IgnorePkg to avoid the ghc update.) The [haskell] and other ArchHaskell repos are for the rest of Hackage tha

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Magnus Therning wrote: > Now I'm going to run the risk of upsetting you quite a bit by being > completely blunt. > Indeed. > You come across in your mail like someone who has thought through your > own situation, but fail to see the larger picture. You do know

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Eric Velten de Melo
In his defense, from the perspective of a more or less newbie in the subject matter, I had quite a bit of trouble using Haskell under Arch. Not that it is so much better in other systems, I wouldn't know. I often was in the position to decide whether to use cabal-install, arch-haskell repositories

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Magnus Therning
Hello Timothy, Now I'm going to run the risk of upsetting you quite a bit by being completely blunt. You come across in your mail like someone who has thought through your own situation, but fail to see the larger picture. You do know *your* Haskell needs, and you know what *you* would want from

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-29 Thread Ramana Kumar
I believe your main question (how do I do my work without wasting time) has already been answered: use IgnorePkg. I would like to add, in case you missed it, that there is a mailing list and community specifically for Haskell on Arch. Here is the webpage: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ArchH

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-28 Thread Vagif Verdi
> proposing would be a little different than those cases, but on the same > principle. > > Timothy > -- Původní zpráva -- > Od: Patrick Palka > > Datum: 28. 10. 2012 > Předmět: Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-28 Thread timothyhobbs
ciple. Timothy -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Patrick Palka Datum: 28. 10. 2012 Předmět: Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch " On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, mailto:timothyho...@seznam.cz)> wrote: "   There seems to be a bit of a clash between ghc being a tool, and ghc b

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-28 Thread Patrick Palka
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, wrote: > There seems to be a bit of a clash between ghc being a tool, and ghc > being a toy. There need not be. Your works-for-me is great but it is > meaningless to those of us who use ghc as a tool for larger projects. > This is not specific to GHC. Arch Lin

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-28 Thread timothyhobbs
-- Od: Clark Gaebel Datum: 28. 10. 2012 Předmět: Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch " Personally, I like the latest version of GHC being in the repository, as that's the version I normally use. What packages aren't working for you on 7.6? I find that they get upd

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-28 Thread Rickey Visinski
Fyi, the is a specific arch-haskell mailing list which will probably get you a better answer to your question. I cc'd them for you. ~Rickey On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Clark Gaebel wrote: > Personally, I like the latest version of GHC being in the repository, as > that's the version I nor

Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-28 Thread Clark Gaebel
Personally, I like the latest version of GHC being in the repository, as that's the version I normally use. What packages aren't working for you on 7.6? I find that they get updated pretty quickly, and if you run into any that aren't, feel free to send the authors a pull request. Almost everything

[Haskell-cafe] GHC maintenance on Arch

2012-10-28 Thread timothyhobbs
Hello, Who is in charge of the ghc and haskell packages on Arch linux?  The current system isn't working. Arch linux tends to update packages very quickly. For ghc, always having the latest ghc isn't a good thing.  At least if you actually want to get some work done.  A majority of the time the