Re: [Haskell-cafe] How about Haskell Golf just like vimgolf.com
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Ertugrul Soeylemez e...@ertes.de wrote: Alex Kropivny alex.kropi...@gmail.com wrote: Could something like code abstraction be done instead? Haskell lends itself to solving problems in really generic, high level ways that reveal a LOT about the underlying problem structure. Through some combination of descriptive data types, generic type classes, and generic helper functions... You get an extremely clear problem description. Example: https://github.com/amtal/snippets/blob/master/Key.hs (Haskell) versus http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebinid=543 (C++) Clarity is a lot harder to score for, so you'd probably need to score things via votes. (Unless there's a way to measure how generic/high-level code is?) Such a site would fill a very nice role, that the programming language shootout definitely does not fill. Currently the only way to figure out what good Haskell code looks like is to browse lots of blogs, and dig through hackage until you find beautifully written packages. I really like this idea. New concepts in Haskell come up from time to time. Now if there was a competition for code quality and good ideas, they may become more frequent. This could also go for problems, where you have to use some specific feature or extension, like scoped type variables, type families/functional dependencies, or even just typeclasses... (Remember, there was a deep list concatenation problem thread some days ago.) -- Markus Läll ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] How about Haskell Golf just like vimgolf.com
Alex Kropivny alex.kropi...@gmail.com wrote: Could something like code abstraction be done instead? Haskell lends itself to solving problems in really generic, high level ways that reveal a LOT about the underlying problem structure. Through some combination of descriptive data types, generic type classes, and generic helper functions... You get an extremely clear problem description. Example: https://github.com/amtal/snippets/blob/master/Key.hs (Haskell) versus http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebinid=543 (C++) Clarity is a lot harder to score for, so you'd probably need to score things via votes. (Unless there's a way to measure how generic/high-level code is?) Such a site would fill a very nice role, that the programming language shootout definitely does not fill. Currently the only way to figure out what good Haskell code looks like is to browse lots of blogs, and dig through hackage until you find beautifully written packages. I really like this idea. New concepts in Haskell come up from time to time. Now if there was a competition for code quality and good ideas, they may become more frequent. Greets, Ertugrul -- nightmare = unsafePerformIO (getWrongWife = sex) http://ertes.de/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] How about Haskell Golf just like vimgolf.com
Could a subreddit of some kind be used for this, or is a new site necessary? I can see a subreddit where people vote for problems they'd like to see elegant solutions to, then solutions are in the replies and get voted on. Might be tricky for larger solutions (you'd have to move them to git/gist or whatever) but would be amazing for learning good Haskell if it got off the ground! On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Ertugrul Soeylemez e...@ertes.de wrote: Alex Kropivny alex.kropi...@gmail.com wrote: Could something like code abstraction be done instead? Haskell lends itself to solving problems in really generic, high level ways that reveal a LOT about the underlying problem structure. Through some combination of descriptive data types, generic type classes, and generic helper functions... You get an extremely clear problem description. Example: https://github.com/amtal/snippets/blob/master/Key.hs (Haskell) versus http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebinid=543 (C++) Clarity is a lot harder to score for, so you'd probably need to score things via votes. (Unless there's a way to measure how generic/high-level code is?) Such a site would fill a very nice role, that the programming language shootout definitely does not fill. Currently the only way to figure out what good Haskell code looks like is to browse lots of blogs, and dig through hackage until you find beautifully written packages. I really like this idea. New concepts in Haskell come up from time to time. Now if there was a competition for code quality and good ideas, they may become more frequent. Greets, Ertugrul -- nightmare = unsafePerformIO (getWrongWife = sex) http://ertes.de/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] How about Haskell Golf just like vimgolf.com
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Alex Kropivny alex.kropi...@gmail.com wrote: Could a subreddit of some kind be used for this, or is a new site necessary? Or maybe a stackexchange. While they are publicly going for big official branding sites, I get the impression that they would be open to a little thing like this. Luke ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] How about Haskell Golf just like vimgolf.com
If a problem gets posted to the Beginners list that can be solved with a chain of compose (.), it will often start a round of golf[*]. Perhaps that's one reason why Stack Overflow seems more popular for beginners these days. [*] This wouldn't be quite so bad *if* people included a rationale for the merits of there golfing, rather than just the obfuscated code. Happy New Year to all. Stephen ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] How about Haskell Golf just like vimgolf.com
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/2/11 02:48 , C K Kashyap wrote: I found this site called http://vimgolf.com/ ... the idea there is that people come up with challenges and try to come up with the least number of keystrokes to get it done. Code golf in any language is generally a recipe for obfuscation. Interesting, certainly, but I don't think I'd recommend it as a service or feature. - -- brandon s. allbery [linux,solaris,freebsd,perl] allb...@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allb...@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0gs90ACgkQIn7hlCsL25XOAACfQhq2bb18442MYAROhnqZ3jJ6 b7kAoIaJ8LNsAdjlEHZDftAspWtUgJ43 =zjuv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] How about Haskell Golf just like vimgolf.com
Could something like code abstraction be done instead? Haskell lends itself to solving problems in really generic, high level ways that reveal a LOT about the underlying problem structure. Through some combination of descriptive data types, generic type classes, and generic helper functions... You get an extremely clear problem description. Example: https://github.com/amtal/snippets/blob/master/Key.hs (Haskell) versus http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebinid=543 (C++) Clarity is a lot harder to score for, so you'd probably need to score things via votes. (Unless there's a way to measure how generic/high-level code is?) Such a site would fill a very nice role, that the programming language shootout definitely does not fill. Currently the only way to figure out what good Haskell code looks like is to browse lots of blogs, and dig through hackage until you find beautifully written packages. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Brandon S Allbery KF8NH allb...@ece.cmu.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/2/11 02:48 , C K Kashyap wrote: I found this site called http://vimgolf.com/ ... the idea there is that people come up with challenges and try to come up with the least number of keystrokes to get it done. Code golf in any language is generally a recipe for obfuscation. Interesting, certainly, but I don't think I'd recommend it as a service or feature. - -- brandon s. allbery [linux,solaris,freebsd,perl] allb...@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allb...@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0gs90ACgkQIn7hlCsL25XOAACfQhq2bb18442MYAROhnqZ3jJ6 b7kAoIaJ8LNsAdjlEHZDftAspWtUgJ43 =zjuv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] How about Haskell Golf just like vimgolf.com
Hi, First of all, happy new year. I found this site called http://vimgolf.com/ ... the idea there is that people come up with challenges and try to come up with the least number of keystrokes to get it done. Perhaps a similar thing for Haskell would be interesting. Just a thought. Regards, Kashyap ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
