RE: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
Guess they ended up making an exception for Flash, finally. Will be interesting to see how they prevent 3rd party stores from running arbitrary Flash games and whatnot. Maybe they'll blacklist any popular sites that are stealing marketshare from the AppStore? -Michael -Original Message- From: Miguel Mitrofanov [mailto:miguelim...@yandex.ru] Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:52 PM To: Michael Giagnocavo Cc: David Leimbach; John Van Enk; haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/confirmed_apple_and_adobe_coll.php On 23 Mar 2009, at 23:29, Michael Giagnocavo wrote: > Doesn't Apple Store restrict applications (by policy) so they cannot > generate or execute arbitrary code? (That's the reason there's no > Flash for iPhone.) That restriction seems like it'd block any > interpreter or compiler from being sold, no? > > -Michael > > From: haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org > [mailto:haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org > ] On Behalf Of David Leimbach > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:59 PM > To: John Van Enk > Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org; Miguel Mitrofanov > Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Van Enk > wrote: > I think he means a program running on the iPhone which allows you to > open a terminal over an SSH session to other devices. The instance > (I think) you're thinking of is where the SSH *server* runs on the > iPhone. > > Yeah I was talking about a terminal capability that can deal with > all the lovely control codes of serial terminals. > > I thought this could serve as a front-end for something running with > curses bindings, not that you need to open up the whole darned > iphone to do this stuff. > > Dave > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Miguel Mitrofanov > wrote: > > On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:38, David Leimbach wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Miguel Mitrofanov > wrote: > 1) You'll need a terminal application first, and I'm not sure if > there is one in AppStore. In fact, I AM sure there isn't. > > There's SSH terminal programs like Putty based stuff that are in the > AppStore. So that sort of thing has been done yes. > > You sure it can SSH to iPhone itself? Installing Hugs (or GHC) on a > desktop PC and connecting to it via ssh is anything but impressive. > > ___ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > > > > -- > /jve > > ___ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/confirmed_apple_and_adobe_coll.php On 23 Mar 2009, at 23:29, Michael Giagnocavo wrote: Doesn’t Apple Store restrict applications (by policy) so they cannot generate or execute arbitrary code? (That’s the reason there’s no Flash for iPhone.) That restriction seems like it’d block any interpreter or compiler from being sold, no? -Michael From: haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org ] On Behalf Of David Leimbach Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:59 PM To: John Van Enk Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org; Miguel Mitrofanov Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Van Enk wrote: I think he means a program running on the iPhone which allows you to open a terminal over an SSH session to other devices. The instance (I think) you're thinking of is where the SSH *server* runs on the iPhone. Yeah I was talking about a terminal capability that can deal with all the lovely control codes of serial terminals. I thought this could serve as a front-end for something running with curses bindings, not that you need to open up the whole darned iphone to do this stuff. Dave On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Miguel Mitrofanov > wrote: On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:38, David Leimbach wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Miguel Mitrofanov > wrote: 1) You'll need a terminal application first, and I'm not sure if there is one in AppStore. In fact, I AM sure there isn't. There's SSH terminal programs like Putty based stuff that are in the AppStore. So that sort of thing has been done yes. You sure it can SSH to iPhone itself? Installing Hugs (or GHC) on a desktop PC and connecting to it via ssh is anything but impressive. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- /jve ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
RE: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
Doesn't Apple Store restrict applications (by policy) so they cannot generate or execute arbitrary code? (That's the reason there's no Flash for iPhone.) That restriction seems like it'd block any interpreter or compiler from being sold, no? -Michael From: haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org] On Behalf Of David Leimbach Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:59 PM To: John Van Enk Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org; Miguel Mitrofanov Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Van Enk mailto:vane...@gmail.com>> wrote: I think he means a program running on the iPhone which allows you to open a terminal over an SSH session to other devices. The instance (I think) you're thinking of is where the SSH *server* runs on the iPhone. Yeah I was talking about a terminal capability that can deal with all the lovely control codes of serial terminals. I thought this could serve as a front-end for something running with curses bindings, not that you need to open up the whole darned iphone to do this stuff. Dave On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Miguel Mitrofanov mailto:miguelim...@yandex.ru>> wrote: On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:38, David Leimbach wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Miguel Mitrofanov mailto:miguelim...@yandex.ru>> wrote: 1) You'll need a terminal application first, and I'm not sure if there is one in AppStore. In fact, I AM sure there isn't. There's SSH terminal programs like Putty based stuff that are in the AppStore. So that sort of thing has been done yes. You sure it can SSH to iPhone itself? Installing Hugs (or GHC) on a desktop PC and connecting to it via ssh is anything but impressive. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org<mailto:Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org> http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- /jve ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Van Enk wrote: > I think he means a program running on the iPhone which allows you to open a > terminal over an SSH session to other devices. The instance (I think) you're > thinking of is where the SSH *server* runs on the iPhone. Yeah I was talking about a terminal capability that can deal with all the lovely control codes of serial terminals. I thought this could serve as a front-end for something running with curses bindings, not that you need to open up the whole darned iphone to do this stuff. Dave > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Miguel Mitrofanov > wrote: > >> >> On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:38, David Leimbach wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Miguel Mitrofanov < >>> miguelim...@yandex.ru> wrote: >>> 1) You'll need a terminal application first, and I'm not sure if there is >>> one in AppStore. In fact, I AM sure there isn't. >>> >>> There's SSH terminal programs like Putty based stuff that are in the >>> AppStore. So that sort of thing has been done yes. >>> >> >> You sure it can SSH to iPhone itself? Installing Hugs (or GHC) on a >> desktop PC and connecting to it via ssh is anything but impressive. >> >> >> ___ >> Haskell-Cafe mailing list >> Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org >> http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >> > > > > -- > /jve > ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Miguel Mitrofanov wrote: > > On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:38, David Leimbach wrote: > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Miguel Mitrofanov < >> miguelim...@yandex.ru> wrote: >> 1) You'll need a terminal application first, and I'm not sure if there is >> one in AppStore. In fact, I AM sure there isn't. >> >> There's SSH terminal programs like Putty based stuff that are in the >> AppStore. So that sort of thing has been done yes. >> > > You sure it can SSH to iPhone itself? Installing Hugs (or GHC) on a desktop > PC and connecting to it via ssh is anything but impressive. It sure can't... but you said a terminal application, not a terminal on the iphone :-) If you meant you wanted a shell on the iPhone for that, that's something different, but if you wanted the ability to deal with terminal sessions from a serial-like stream, that does exist. I agree ssh'ng to another server isn't that interesting but someone just committed a GHCI GUI for windows... I thought Hugs had such a thing already. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
I think he means a program running on the iPhone which allows you to open a terminal over an SSH session to other devices. The instance (I think) you're thinking of is where the SSH *server* runs on the iPhone. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Miguel Mitrofanov wrote: > > On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:38, David Leimbach wrote: > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Miguel Mitrofanov < >> miguelim...@yandex.ru> wrote: >> 1) You'll need a terminal application first, and I'm not sure if there is >> one in AppStore. In fact, I AM sure there isn't. >> >> There's SSH terminal programs like Putty based stuff that are in the >> AppStore. So that sort of thing has been done yes. >> > > You sure it can SSH to iPhone itself? Installing Hugs (or GHC) on a desktop > PC and connecting to it via ssh is anything but impressive. > > > ___ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > -- /jve ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:38, David Leimbach wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Miguel Mitrofanov > wrote: 1) You'll need a terminal application first, and I'm not sure if there is one in AppStore. In fact, I AM sure there isn't. There's SSH terminal programs like Putty based stuff that are in the AppStore. So that sort of thing has been done yes. You sure it can SSH to iPhone itself? Installing Hugs (or GHC) on a desktop PC and connecting to it via ssh is anything but impressive. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Miguel Mitrofanov wrote: > 1) You'll need a terminal application first, and I'm not sure if there is > one in AppStore. In fact, I AM sure there isn't. There's SSH terminal programs like Putty based stuff that are in the AppStore. So that sort of thing has been done yes. > > > 2) My iPod Touch is still running 1.1.4 firmware; I've heard it's not that > easy on 2.0 and later. > that's unfortunate. > > 3) Personally, I'd love to see ghc on iPhone. It could even persuade me to > upgrade. > > > On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:00, Kirk Martinez wrote: > > I saw Miguel Mitrofanov ( >> http://www.nabble.com/Hugs-on-the-iphone-td19478992.html) successfully >> ported Hugs to the iPhone. I'm now wondering if anyone has tried to get >> Apple's blessing to put this in the App Store? It would be really great to >> be able to try out little Haskell ideas as the mood strikes. Of course, >> it's kind of essential to have an editor of some kind for more significant >> programs... >> >> Thanks, >> Kirk >> ___ >> Haskell-Cafe mailing list >> Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org >> http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >> > > ___ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
Unfortunately the developers agreement expressly forbids the use of interpreters that load and run external programs. This is probably for the simple reason that it would be almost impossible to secure, or even guarantee that it wont exceed its space and mem usage bounds required by AppStore apps. Short answer: Jailbreak and install away :) 2009/3/23 Kirk Martinez > I saw Miguel Mitrofanov ( > http://www.nabble.com/Hugs-on-the-iphone-td19478992.html) successfully > ported Hugs to the iPhone. I'm now wondering if anyone has tried to get > Apple's blessing to put this in the App Store? It would be really great to > be able to try out little Haskell ideas as the mood strikes. Of course, > it's kind of essential to have an editor of some kind for more significant > programs... > > Thanks, > Kirk > > ___ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe > > -- We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - A. Einstein ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
1) You'll need a terminal application first, and I'm not sure if there is one in AppStore. In fact, I AM sure there isn't. 2) My iPod Touch is still running 1.1.4 firmware; I've heard it's not that easy on 2.0 and later. 3) Personally, I'd love to see ghc on iPhone. It could even persuade me to upgrade. On 23 Mar 2009, at 21:00, Kirk Martinez wrote: I saw Miguel Mitrofanov (http://www.nabble.com/Hugs-on-the-iphone-td19478992.html ) successfully ported Hugs to the iPhone. I'm now wondering if anyone has tried to get Apple's blessing to put this in the App Store? It would be really great to be able to try out little Haskell ideas as the mood strikes. Of course, it's kind of essential to have an editor of some kind for more significant programs... Thanks, Kirk ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Hugs on iPhone
I saw Miguel Mitrofanov ( http://www.nabble.com/Hugs-on-the-iphone-td19478992.html) successfully ported Hugs to the iPhone. I'm now wondering if anyone has tried to get Apple's blessing to put this in the App Store? It would be really great to be able to try out little Haskell ideas as the mood strikes. Of course, it's kind of essential to have an editor of some kind for more significant programs... Thanks, Kirk ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
