Re: [Haskell-cafe] IO, sequence, lazyness, takeWhile
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/10 09:15 , Jacek Generowicz wrote: untilQuit' = (fmap (takeWhile (/= quit))) (sequence $ map (= report) (repeat getLine)) -- The latter version shows the report, but it doesn't stop at the -- appropriate place, so I'm guessing that I'm being bitten by my -- ignorance about the interaction of actions and lazyness. The reason this doesn't stop where you expect it to is that sequence is effectively strict (that is, it will keep going until the list is exhausted), but repeat creates an infinite list. You want the stop condition between the map-report and the repeat-getLine. - -- brandon s. allbery [linux,solaris,freebsd,perl] allb...@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allb...@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0OWJQACgkQIn7hlCsL25Wb2gCgw3GKF/rBdXL2LIsV5qUVSa1M ZfEAoL5Vzd9+F7+NDqOAP7s2pyxtmJ0S =bU/D -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] IO, sequence, lazyness, takeWhile
On 2010 Dec 19, at 20:10, Brandon S Allbery KF8NH wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/13/10 09:15 , Jacek Generowicz wrote: untilQuit' = (fmap (takeWhile (/= quit))) (sequence $ map (= report) (repeat getLine)) -- The latter version shows the report, but it doesn't stop at the -- appropriate place, so I'm guessing that I'm being bitten by my -- ignorance about the interaction of actions and lazyness. The reason this doesn't stop where you expect it to is that sequence is effectively strict That would explain it. Thank you. Where is this fact documented? I mostly rely on Hoogle, which gets me to http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/latest/doc/html/Prelude.html#v :sequence which says nothing about strictness. How could I have known this without having to bother anyone else? You want the stop condition between the map-report and the repeat- getLine. Or, more generally speaking, between sequence, and whatever generates the infinite list. But can this be done in a similar style? Could I still use takeWhile and somehow lift it into IO? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] IO, sequence, lazyness, takeWhile
On Sunday 19 December 2010 22:18:59, Jacek Generowicz wrote: The reason this doesn't stop where you expect it to is that sequence is effectively strict That would explain it. Thank you. Where is this fact documented? I mostly rely on Hoogle, which gets me to http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/latest/doc/html/Prelude .html#v :sequence which says nothing about strictness. How could I have known this without having to bother anyone else? Well, you can deduce it from sequence's type. That's of course not something you immediately see, but in hindsight, it's pretty easy to understand. sequence :: Monad m = [m a] - m [a] So, basically all sequence can do is use (=) and return. Reasonably, sequence [] = return [] is the only thing that's possible. For nonempty lists, sequence (x:xs) = ? Well, what can sequence do? It has to do something with x and something with xs, the only reasonable thing is to call sequence on the tail and run x, combining x's result and the result of sequence xs. One can choose the order, but sequence (x:xs) = do a - x as - sequence xs return (a:as) is the most sensible thing. Now, that means before sequence can deliver anything, it has to run all actions (because if any action fails, sequence fails and that can't be known before all actions have been run). ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] IO, sequence, lazyness, takeWhile
Sequence isn't necessarily strict. Sequence, rather necessarily, depends on the semantics of (=) in that monad. Prelude Control.Monad.Identity runIdentity $ take 10 `liftM` sequence (map return $ repeat 5) [5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5] What matters is if (=) is strict in its first argument. The Identity Monad provided by mtl and transformers is not strict in the first argument of (=). Hence sequence isn't strict in that Identity Monad. Compare to IO, where (=) is strict in its first argument: Prelude Control.Monad.Identity take 10 `liftM` sequence (map return $ repeat 5) :: IO [Int] ^CInterrupted. After a while, I got bored and interrupted it. Anyway. There's no documentation on the (non-)strictness of sequence, because it isn't actually defined. It depends on the choice of m. Carl Howells On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sunday 19 December 2010 22:18:59, Jacek Generowicz wrote: The reason this doesn't stop where you expect it to is that sequence is effectively strict That would explain it. Thank you. Where is this fact documented? I mostly rely on Hoogle, which gets me to http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/latest/doc/html/Prelude .html#v :sequence which says nothing about strictness. How could I have known this without having to bother anyone else? Well, you can deduce it from sequence's type. That's of course not something you immediately see, but in hindsight, it's pretty easy to understand. sequence :: Monad m = [m a] - m [a] So, basically all sequence can do is use (=) and return. Reasonably, sequence [] = return [] is the only thing that's possible. For nonempty lists, sequence (x:xs) = ? Well, what can sequence do? It has to do something with x and something with xs, the only reasonable thing is to call sequence on the tail and run x, combining x's result and the result of sequence xs. One can choose the order, but sequence (x:xs) = do a - x as - sequence xs return (a:as) is the most sensible thing. Now, that means before sequence can deliver anything, it has to run all actions (because if any action fails, sequence fails and that can't be known before all actions have been run). ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] IO, sequence, lazyness, takeWhile
-- Is it possible to rewrite code written in this style untilQuit = do text - getLine report text if text == quit then return () else untilQuit -- in a style using higher order functions for abstract iteration? For -- example, something along these lines: untilQuit' = (fmap (takeWhile (/= quit))) (sequence $ map (= report) (repeat getLine)) -- The latter version shows the report, but it doesn't stop at the -- appropriate place, so I'm guessing that I'm being bitten by my -- ignorance about the interaction of actions and lazyness. -- For completeness, here's a definition of report report text = do putStrLn $ You wrote ++ text return text ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] IO, sequence, lazyness, takeWhile
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Jacek Generowicz jacek.generow...@cern.ch wrote: -- Is it possible to rewrite code written in this style untilQuit = do text - getLine report text if text == quit then return () else untilQuit -- in a style using higher order functions for abstract iteration? For -- example, something along these lines: untilQuit' = (fmap (takeWhile (/= quit))) (sequence $ map (= report) (repeat getLine)) You are asking about standard library functions? Probably, but I think it is cleanest to just write a HOF to encapsulate this pattern. I have used this one before: whileM_ :: (Monad m) = (a - Bool) - m a - m () whileM_ p m = bool (return ()) (whileM p m) . p = m bool :: a - a - Bool - a bool t f True = t bool t f False = f untilQuit = whileM_ (/= quit) (getLine = liftM2 () report return) I find a variant of whileM that returns m [a] particularly handy for collecting events in an event loop. Luke ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] IO, sequence, lazyness, takeWhile
Take a look at the monad-loops package. Cheers, Greg On 12/13/2010 06:15 AM, Jacek Generowicz wrote: -- Is it possible to rewrite code written in this style untilQuit = do text - getLine report text if text == quit then return () else untilQuit -- in a style using higher order functions for abstract iteration? For -- example, something along these lines: untilQuit' = (fmap (takeWhile (/= quit))) (sequence $ map (= report) (repeat getLine)) -- The latter version shows the report, but it doesn't stop at the -- appropriate place, so I'm guessing that I'm being bitten by my -- ignorance about the interaction of actions and lazyness. -- For completeness, here's a definition of report report text = do putStrLn $ You wrote ++ text return text ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
