[Haskell-cafe] Re: The Haskell re-branding exercise

2009-02-09 Thread Simon Marlow

Sterling Clover wrote:
IP based limitations are a terrible idea. Multiple users can be and 
often are behind the same IP if they're in some sort of intranet, be it 
corporate, academic, or simply multiple home computers. Mail-based 
authentication can be screwed with, sure, but it's also very easy to 
notice this (as opposed to ip nonsense) through simply eyeballing the 
results. There's no general everywhere way to prevent vote fraud. 
However, if we make it even require a mild bit of thought, that should 
be sufficient in this case, as there won't be enough votes to prevent 
some sort of rough eyeball-based check of the results, and if there are, 
then that's a sign of fraud for sure! Furthermore, there's very little 
incentive for someone to go the extra mile here, as we're voting for a 
haskell logo, and not, e.g., giving away ten thousand dollars. 
Furthermore, since I assume we'll only be presenting reasonable logos, 
there's not even some room for pranksters to stage a write-in of some 
gag slogan.


I suggest we do voting by email, and restrict voting to those who have ever 
posted on haskell-cafe before 1 Jan 2009.  We could then have an 
auto-confirmation scheme similar to mailing list sign-up where the 
confirmation message is sent back to the originator to confirm their 
identity, containing a verification link to click on.


I realise there are flaws in this, but it seems to be (a) cheap to 
implement and participate in, and (b) good enough.


Cheers,
Simon
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: The Haskell re-branding exercise

2009-02-09 Thread Richard Kelsall

Simon Marlow wrote:
I suggest we do voting by email, and restrict voting to those who have 
ever posted on haskell-cafe before 1 Jan 2009.  We could then have an 
auto-confirmation scheme similar to mailing list sign-up where the 
confirmation message is sent back to the originator to confirm their 
identity, containing a verification link to click on.


I realise there are flaws in this, but it seems to be (a) cheap to 
implement and participate in, and (b) good enough.




That sounds better than my Haskell Wiki verification method.


Richard.
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: The Haskell re-branding exercise

2009-02-09 Thread Don Stewart
marlowsd:
 Sterling Clover wrote:
 IP based limitations are a terrible idea. Multiple users can be and  
 often are behind the same IP if they're in some sort of intranet, be it 
 corporate, academic, or simply multiple home computers. Mail-based  
 authentication can be screwed with, sure, but it's also very easy to  
 notice this (as opposed to ip nonsense) through simply eyeballing the  
 results. There's no general everywhere way to prevent vote fraud.  
 However, if we make it even require a mild bit of thought, that should  
 be sufficient in this case, as there won't be enough votes to prevent  
 some sort of rough eyeball-based check of the results, and if there 
 are, then that's a sign of fraud for sure! Furthermore, there's very 
 little incentive for someone to go the extra mile here, as we're voting 
 for a haskell logo, and not, e.g., giving away ten thousand dollars.  
 Furthermore, since I assume we'll only be presenting reasonable logos,  
 there's not even some room for pranksters to stage a write-in of some 
 gag slogan.

 I suggest we do voting by email, and restrict voting to those who have 
 ever posted on haskell-cafe before 1 Jan 2009.  We could then have an  
 auto-confirmation scheme similar to mailing list sign-up where the  
 confirmation message is sent back to the originator to confirm their  
 identity, containing a verification link to click on.

 I realise there are flaws in this, but it seems to be (a) cheap to  
 implement and participate in, and (b) good enough.

Seems good enough. Who's going to tally the votes?
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