Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Ok, we now have 3 people with createaccount: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/?title=Special%3AListusersgroup=createaccountusername= myself byorgey Magnus (Neil Mitchell and Don Stewart having not accepted/declined in this thread.) Does anyone feel a need for these people to also be admins, or will just createaccount status handle the wiki's problems for the foreseeable future? - -- gwern -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREKAAYFAko9P1sACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oIOUgCgnYFfMGSY4ppDjY+ZW9da0rjC L3IAn0+k1G8ya9o3oTZ/NXs8mx7Xa1gN =A82l -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
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[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Ashley Yakeleyash...@semantic.org wrote: OK, the people listed here have been given the ability to create accounts: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/?title=Special%3AListusersgroup=createaccount Thanks! If you want to let people know that you can do this for them, add your email address here: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/HaskellWiki:New_accounts I've added my name on that page (and re-arranged it a little). /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 19:57 -0400, Gwern Branwen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ashley Yakeley wrote: Anyone else? Gwern? Philippa? As usual, I am User:Gwern. On the side-topic of a mailing list - I really think that is too heavy-weight. We want people to create a login (for the ML) and go through the ML, just to get wiki access? Who said anything about creating mailing list logins? Probably the easiest-for-user thing us a form that sends the mail for them. -- Philippa Cowderoy fli...@flippac.org ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
I'm hearing reports of people having difficulty obtaining accounts on the Haskell wiki, (...) Maybe OpenID could help with spam problems without the need for manual intervention: I doubt it - I know LiveJournal has a problem with spambots gaining free accounts, and it provides OpenID. They may not be exploited for the OpenID account yet, but I imagine they will be sooner rather than later - OpenID is more useful to tie in people's existing identities. I would sugest that Haskell wiki only accepts OpenIDs, without providing then itself. So spammers would have to use domains, and I (naively?) believe those are costly to obtain and easy to block. Maurício ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Mauríciobriqueabra...@yahoo.com wrote: I would sugest that Haskell wiki only accepts OpenIDs, without providing then itself. So spammers would have to use domains, and I (naively?) believe those are costly to obtain and easy to block. It's easy for a spammer to obtain an OpenID without having to obtain a domain. Unfortunately, OpenID by itself is not a sufficient mechanism for preventing spam. Josh ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:38:02PM -0700, Ashley Yakeley wrote: Magnus Therning wrote: Philippa Cowderoy wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 13:52 -0400, Gwern Branwen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ashley Yakeley wrote: For requesting accounts: who would receive the email, and which person would create the account? Why not just list everyone's email and let the requester pick who to send the request to? A mailing list, possibly attached to a ticketing/queue system, seems a good idea? If it's just a list, admins should ack when they've added someone to avoid duplicated effort. That seems like a good, simple solution! OK, so who wants to create accounts? What are your haskell.org usernames? I'm byorgey on haskell.org and on the wiki. -Brent ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
I'm hearing reports of people having difficulty obtaining accounts on the Haskell wiki, without which it is impossible to make edits. Currently, account creation is disabled as an anti-spam measure, and the idea is for people to mail the admin and request an account. (...) Maybe OpenID could help with spam problems without the need for manual intervention: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID Best, Maurício ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
Maurício wrote: Maybe OpenID could help with spam problems without the need for manual intervention: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID Nope, can't install it on this version. http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Special:Version -- Ashley Yakeley ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
[sent to the list as well this time] On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 14:26 -0300, Maurício wrote: I'm hearing reports of people having difficulty obtaining accounts on the Haskell wiki, without which it is impossible to make edits. Currently, account creation is disabled as an anti-spam measure, and the idea is for people to mail the admin and request an account. (...) Maybe OpenID could help with spam problems without the need for manual intervention: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID I doubt it - I know LiveJournal has a problem with spambots gaining free accounts, and it provides OpenID. They may not be exploited for the OpenID account yet, but I imagine they will be sooner rather than later - OpenID is more useful to tie in people's existing identities. -- Philippa Cowderoy fli...@flippac.org ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Philippa Cowderoy fli...@flippac.orgwrote: [sent to the list as well this time] On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 14:26 -0300, Maurício wrote: I'm hearing reports of people having difficulty obtaining accounts on the Haskell wiki, without which it is impossible to make edits. Currently, account creation is disabled as an anti-spam measure, and the idea is for people to mail the admin and request an account. (...) Maybe OpenID could help with spam problems without the need for manual intervention: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID I doubt it - I know LiveJournal has a problem with spambots gaining free accounts, and it provides OpenID. They may not be exploited for the OpenID account yet, but I imagine they will be sooner rather than later - OpenID is more useful to tie in people's existing identities. On that topic, as a future enhancement of the haskell wiki I would love to be able to use OpenID. Jason ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
I wrote: OK, so who wants to create accounts? What are your haskell.org usernames? Anyone else? Gwern? Philippa? -- Ashley Yakeley ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ashley Yakeley wrote: Anyone else? Gwern? Philippa? As usual, I am User:Gwern. On the side-topic of a mailing list - I really think that is too heavy-weight. We want people to create a login (for the ML) and go through the ML, just to get wiki access? A view I've long held is that wikis only work because they are easy to contribute to. When you ask someone for a favor, you don't make them jump through hoops. Even trivial extra steps cut down the # of people willing to do it. There must be methods that put as little a burden on eager would-be newbie editors. Just posting the emails of people with account-creation abilities is the easiest way I can think of. - -- gwern -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREKAAYFAko4MWIACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oKtagCfQNTxtn5dnTqwXxD5YP5zTO+w TjwAn2JAu09ackQs8xY44qPoe2p2g6v5 =oGcB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
OK, the people listed here have been given the ability to create accounts: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/?title=Special%3AListusersgroup=createaccount I'm willing to hand this ability out to pretty much anyone who seems unlikely to be a spammer. To create an account, go to the login page. http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Special:Userlogin You should see five text boxes instead of two. Enter the desired username, and the person's email, and click on the by email button. You do not need to enter a password. Rules for usernames are the same as rules for particle titles, so the first character cannot be a lower-case letter (actually, it will get folded to upper-case). But spaces are OK. If you want to let people know that you can do this for them, add your email address here: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/HaskellWiki:New_accounts -- Ashley Yakeley ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ashley Yakeley wrote: For requesting accounts: who would receive the email, and which person would create the account? Why not just list everyone's email and let the requester pick who to send the request to? - -- gwern -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREKAAYFAko2ik8ACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oK4fwCeJvNQpc0ubJl0AmfDebmudxUq UrEAn3rwVLmLRl1RIcJLpZET6SjrssYD =Mhng -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 13:52 -0400, Gwern Branwen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ashley Yakeley wrote: For requesting accounts: who would receive the email, and which person would create the account? Why not just list everyone's email and let the requester pick who to send the request to? A mailing list, possibly attached to a ticketing/queue system, seems a good idea? If it's just a list, admins should ack when they've added someone to avoid duplicated effort. -- Philippa Cowderoy fli...@flippac.org ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
Philippa Cowderoy wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 13:52 -0400, Gwern Branwen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ashley Yakeley wrote: For requesting accounts: who would receive the email, and which person would create the account? Why not just list everyone's email and let the requester pick who to send the request to? A mailing list, possibly attached to a ticketing/queue system, seems a good idea? If it's just a list, admins should ack when they've added someone to avoid duplicated effort. That seems like a good, simple solution! /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
Gwern Branwen wrote: This runs on MediaWiki, right? How about adding a CAPTCHA for account registrations? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit See http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Special:Version ConfirmEdit would require an upgrade. This is the ideal solution. But it requires an update of the machine from an old Red Hat distro (RHEL AS release 3 update 9) to something a bit more modern, like Debian 5.0 or Ubuntu Server 9.04. -- Ashley Yakeley ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Wiki user accounts
Gwern Branwen wrote: Presumably Ashley is busy. Yes. Average request rate is about one each day; I tend to do them in a lump about once a week. One solution would be to have Ashley re-enable user registrations. This has been suggested before, but no one knows how bad the spam would be. Basically, someone was creating thousands of accounts automatically. It seems likely this will happen again. Another solution would be to sysop a few users to admin/bureaucrat, so that even if a few are inactive or away, the rest can handle requests. What would the process be? -- Ashley Yakeley ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
