Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Jonathan Cast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not French 'tis so! Two dictionaries I've now checked say it entered English from Hebrew via French 'cabale'. But that has to be the last I say on this as it's now well off topic. -- Dan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Richard A. O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always pronounced it k'BAHL, but was surprised to find that the OED only countenances a short second syllable: The reason I originally asked is that American, British and other dialects of English handle French loanwords differently. Americans put stress towards the end and lengthen the final vowel; Brits typically do the opposite. -- Dan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
On 29 May 2008, at 10:44 AM, Dan Piponi wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Richard A. O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always pronounced it k'BAHL, but was surprised to find that the OED only countenances a short second syllable: The reason I originally asked is that American, British and other dialects of English handle French loanwords differently. It's not French: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal jcc ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
Not always. Just to be sure, I just checked the Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English Online (http://pewebdic2.cw.idm.fr/topbar.html), and it came up with the following pronunciation for cabal: \kəˈbæl\ In fact, this was the only pronunciation listed, so the other pronunciation is not listed at all. Here, the æ phoneme is identical to the same phoneme in balance (http://pewebdic2.cw.idm.fr/display/display.html?unfolded=3542ids=3542,3543,3549,3544,3545,3546,3547,3548,3551,3679,29605,44549,47636,48407): \ˈbæləns\ If you don't say it that way, you get kicked out of the Longman cabal. Further, I asked two professional translators/interpreters at work, and they both said that either pronunciation was correct. Which cabal did you mean? Benjamin L. Russell --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Clifford Beshers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Clifford Beshers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here? To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 2:30 PM On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Benjamin L. Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, according to the definition that you used ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cabal), there are the following two pronunciations of cabal: 1) \kə-ˈbäl\ 2) \kə-ˈbal\ The a phoneme of the ˈbal syllable of pronunciation 2 is actually defined to be identical to the first syllable ˈba of balance ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/balance); viz.: \ˈba-lən(t)s\ But if you say it that way, you get kicked out of the cabal.___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
2008/5/28 Clifford Beshers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But if you say it that way, you get kicked out of the cabal. I thought the first rule was There is no cabal. Oh wait, that's Debian. Oh wait... aa! -- Darrin ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
On 28 May 2008, at 1:04 pm, Dan Piponi wrote: In particular, which syllable gets the stress, and what are the lengths of the two vowels? Couldn't find anything in the FAQ (http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Cabal/FAQ). I've always pronounced it k'BAHL, but was surprised to find that the OED (http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50030715? query_type=wordqueryword=cabalfirst=1max_to_show=10 sort_type=alpharesult_place=1search_id=XrC0- le6sHc-11893hilite=50030715) only countenances a short second syllable: (kinline: schwa.gifinline: sm.gif bæl) [a. F. cabale (16th c. in Littré), used in all the English senses, ad. med.L. cab(b)ala (It., Sp., Pg. cabala), CABBALA, q.v. In 17th c. at first pronounced inline: sm.gif cabal (whence the abridged CAB n.5); the current pronunciation was evidently reintroduced from Fr., perh. with sense 5 or 6.] ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
In particular, which syllable gets the stress, and what are the lengths of the two vowels? Couldn't find anything in the FAQ (http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Cabal/FAQ). -- Dan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
As in the dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cabal), accent on the second syllable, which is pronounced like none of ball, balance, boll and bale. Roughly the same rhythm as kaboom. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Dan Piponi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In particular, which syllable gets the stress, and what are the lengths of the two vowels? Couldn't find anything in the FAQ (http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Cabal/FAQ). -- Dan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
Actually, according to the definition that you used (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cabal), there are the following two pronunciations of cabal: 1) \kə-ˈbäl\ 2) \kə-ˈbal\ The a phoneme of the ˈbal syllable of pronunciation 2 is actually defined to be identical to the first syllable ˈba of balance (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/balance); viz.: \ˈba-lən(t)s\ Further, the second syllable of robot (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/robot) in fact does contain the same alternative phoneme ä as in pronunciation 1 of cabal above; viz.: \ˈrō-ˌbät\ To sum: The phoneme represented by the letter a in the second syllable of cabal is either pronounced like the phoneme a represented by the same letter in the first syllable ˈba of balance (for pronunciation 2), or like the phoneme ä represented by the letter o in the second syllable ˌbät of robot. Further, as Clifford Beshers has already mentioned, the second syllable of cabal is the one stressed. Benjamin L. Russell --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Clifford Beshers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As in the dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cabal), accent on the second syllable, which is pronounced like none of ball, balance, boll and bale. Roughly the same rhythm as kaboom. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Dan Piponi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In particular, which syllable gets the stress, and what are the lengths of the two vowels? Couldn't find anything in the FAQ (http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Cabal/FAQ). -- Dan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] So how do people pronounce 'cabal' around here?
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Benjamin L. Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, according to the definition that you used ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cabal), there are the following two pronunciations of cabal: 1) \kə-ˈbäl\ 2) \kə-ˈbal\ The a phoneme of the ˈbal syllable of pronunciation 2 is actually defined to be identical to the first syllable ˈba of balance ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/balance); viz.: \ˈba-lən(t)s\ But if you say it that way, you get kicked out of the cabal. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
