Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell theme
I agree with Mark that we shouldn't try to over-constrain things. However, basic startup-resources are perfectly fine. It gives a good default for people who don't really like (web-)design, and can serve as a baseline for others. I.e., encourage consistency but don't enforce it. On 12 October 2010 22:17, Christopher Done chrisd...@googlemail.com wrote: http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3577/ideasv.png I mostly like it, with the following remarks: - Only blue for a colour scheme is too cold. This is why I used this orange-red for the new wiki. There are other ways to do this, of course. I'd just like to encourage people to not only use blueish tones. - The wiki edit links in your sketch are very dark. I prefer the light grey as used in the new wiki, because it doesn't stand out that much. To download the Inkscape SVG grab it here: http://chrisdone.com/designs/haskell-theme-1.svg I don't know what I was thinking here but it seemed like fun: http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1827/rect5935.png With a bit of tuning, this can look nice. I get bored really quickly, I was alright for 15 minutes and then I lost the will to point and click. Anyway, I was thinking rather than trying to come up with a brilliant all-encompassing design, we could agree on conventions: * colours * headings * spacing * links * the particular incarnation of the logo etc. I'm pretty happy to go with the colour theme of http://new-www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell Haskellers.com also makes me think we need an umbrella theme that encompasses all Haskell sites. Maybe we should do a theme poll like the logo poll. I don't know. Regardless, I think we do need to decide on something and stick with it. Should this discussion be taken to the web devel mailing list? Is that appropriate? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell theme Haskellers design
You might have seen the post I did yesterday about the Haskell project I'm currently working on. In it I posted an screen shot or a web page, which you can find here: http://mtnviewmark.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/source-editing.png I think that page illustrates what I was thinking in terms of themes: It actually has yet a different color scheme, though it shares some colors with the basic pallet. What further ties it together, and what I'd like to propose Haskell sites use, is that top bar. It is the same as the top bar used in the Haddock Ocean theme. For sites, I suggest the top bar appear as it does in that image: The Haskell logotype on the left (linked to haskell.org), and some or all of the community links on the right. (Though I think the lambdas should be smaller versions of the logo.) Specific site branding and navigation goes under. Another way to use the bar would be like Haddock does: The left side contains the name of a major collection of pages. The links on the right are constant links to major sections. - Mark P.S.: The CSS for the top bar in that image can be found here: http://github.com/mtnviewmark/barley/blob/master/seed/static/scaffold.css Look for selectors with topbar in them. The CSS for the same bar in Haddock can be found here: http://code.haskell.org/haddock/html/Ocean.std-theme/ocean.css Look for selectors with package-header in them.___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell theme Haskellers design
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Mark Lentczner ma...@glyphic.com wrote: You might have seen the post I did yesterday about the Haskell project I'm currently working on. In it I posted an screen shot or a web page, which you can find here: http://mtnviewmark.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/source-editing.png That's cool! I'm working on a proposal for the haskellers website and that top bar is exactly what it's missing from it. cheers nubis :) ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell theme
On 13 October 2010 05:49, Mark Lentczner ma...@glyphic.com wrote: I spent some time beforehand looking at what other successful language communities do w.r.t. visual design. I found that none of the communities had a single theme; most had two or three. but these themes were visually harmonious. Furthermore, I found that they were used consistently, and that the various themes were generally at the same level of polish. Just out of interest, can you show some examples? A cursory glance at Ruby, and I see that the home page[1] and their package site[2] are completely different! [1]: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ [2]: http://rubyforge.org/ This means leaning toward consistent colors, and logo form, rather than exact layout. Further, it seems more important that our projects get designers who will do a thorough job, and less important that it be a single central design group. Indeed. It is no accident that the new Haddock backend looks like the new wiki design: Thomas Schilling (nominolo) supplied the initial style sheet that the Haddock team used to build the Ocean theme. I think this exemplifies what we should strive for: The two projects look well together, look like they have a relationship, and both are full treatments of their subjects. It isn't so important that they have identical layouts or details. Ah, I didn't notice! I see that there is a navy blue bar at the top, a grey footer and the links are orange. This is generally good enough, I suppose. Nice. Since parts of the Hackage site integrate so closely with the Haddock output, I've been asked if I would take a stab at styling the new Hackage (or at least the package pages). I'll be aiming to make that fit, but without being 100% rigid about conformance to the Ocean output. Wwe could provide a base stylesheet which provides fonts, colours, spacing, the heading and footer and logo. That way when you or anyone starts on a new site you already have the base style upon which to built, it will look like Haskell whatever layout or content you use. http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3577/ideasv.png Lovely ideas there and I think a Haskell project built on those lines would continue to look well with the wiki and Haddock. Can we use this logo? Or can we pick one? Every site I see has a different incarnation of it. The favicon of the new-www site is even different to the logo that's on the left. In fact on the new-www site the logo colour changes from the home page to sub pages! This reminds me, do we have a good syntax highlighting theme? HsColour's has always been pretty bad (no offence intended -- but there is a reason people always redefine it). I'd lean toward us putting these thoughts down in the wiki, and developing a set of guide posts for styling Haskell, rather than a strict set of policies. This sounds like a good idea. The Python site has a page like this[3], ours could be a little more comprehensive regarding the polish, as you say. [3]: http://python.org/community/logos/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell theme
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Mark Lentczner ma...@glyphic.com wrote: I'd lean toward us putting these thoughts down in the wiki, and developing a set of guide posts for styling Haskell, rather than a strict set of policies. Here's a strawman proposal for a very first guideline: Body text defaults == Size: Equivalent to 13 px. in default browser settings Color: #000 (black) Motivation: I believe this is the most commonly used font size on the web. Mark did a bunch of research on this so perhaps he can clarify. Black gives a good contrast. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell theme
On 13 October 2010 07:41, Christopher Done chrisd...@googlemail.com wrote: This reminds me, do we have a good syntax highlighting theme? HsColour's has always been pretty bad (no offence intended -- but there is a reason people always redefine it). I've been sitting on a post about highlighting Haskell for a while now which is about Haskell syntax highlighting in HTML files [1]. This would let you use any CSS style file from SHJS [2], and does a pretty good job of highlighting Haskell. Feel free to use the style file on my website if you like it. Nick [1] http://zenzike.com/posts/2010-10-14-highlighting-haskell-with-shjs/ [2] http://shjs.sourceforge.net/css/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] The Haskell theme
To kick off discussion about Haskell's general theme, as discussed recently, here's some random ideas. Going with the original colours of the nominated Haskell logo, and kinda what's been done here: http://new-www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3577/ideasv.png To download the Inkscape SVG grab it here: http://chrisdone.com/designs/haskell-theme-1.svg I don't know what I was thinking here but it seemed like fun: http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1827/rect5935.png I get bored really quickly, I was alright for 15 minutes and then I lost the will to point and click. Anyway, I was thinking rather than trying to come up with a brilliant all-encompassing design, we could agree on conventions: * colours * headings * spacing * links * the particular incarnation of the logo etc. I'm pretty happy to go with the colour theme of http://new-www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell Haskellers.com also makes me think we need an umbrella theme that encompasses all Haskell sites. Maybe we should do a theme poll like the logo poll. I don't know. Regardless, I think we do need to decide on something and stick with it. Should this discussion be taken to the web devel mailing list? Is that appropriate? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The Haskell theme
On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Don Stewart wrote: * haskell visual design group? + consistent color themes across haskell.org sites. + consistent haskell branding. On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Christopher Done wrote: To kick off discussion about Haskell's general theme, as discussed recently, here's some random ideas. I was there for the BoF discussion, and this was one of the topics I was there to discuss. I spent some time beforehand looking at what other successful language communities do w.r.t. visual design. I found that none of the communities had a single theme; most had two or three. but these themes were visually harmonious. Furthermore, I found that they were used consistently, and that the various themes were generally at the same level of polish. For Haskell I think this means that while it isn't essential that we have a single common theme on all properties, it is important that various site designers think of the whole look of Haskell when designing their projects. This means leaning toward consistent colors, and logo form, rather than exact layout. Further, it seems more important that our projects get designers who will do a thorough job, and less important that it be a single central design group. It is no accident that the new Haddock backend looks like the new wiki design: Thomas Schilling (nominolo) supplied the initial style sheet that the Haddock team used to build the Ocean theme. I think this exemplifies what we should strive for: The two projects look well together, look like they have a relationship, and both are full treatments of their subjects. It isn't so important that they have identical layouts or details. Since parts of the Hackage site integrate so closely with the Haddock output, I've been asked if I would take a stab at styling the new Hackage (or at least the package pages). I'll be aiming to make that fit, but without being 100% rigid about conformance to the Ocean output. http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3577/ideasv.png Lovely ideas there and I think a Haskell project built on those lines would continue to look well with the wiki and Haddock. I don't know what I was thinking here but it seemed like fun: http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1827/rect5935.png For some projects, I could imagine this feel would be more appropriate - yet still, there is enough tie-in to make it part of the family. Maybe we should do a theme poll like the logo poll. I don't know. Regardless, I think we do need to decide on something and stick with it. Should this discussion be taken to the web devel mailing list? Is that appropriate? I'd lean toward us putting these thoughts down in the wiki, and developing a set of guide posts for styling Haskell, rather than a strict set of policies. - Mark ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
