Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-25 Thread robert dockins
John Goerzen wrote: There was a brief discussion on #haskell today about the Haskell standard. I'd like to get opinions from more people, and ask if there is any effort being done in this direction presently. I think an updated standard is overdue. I find it difficult anymore to write any but

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-23 Thread Sebastian Sylvan
On 7/23/05, Duncan Coutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 15:36 +0200, Sebastian Sylvan wrote: > > > Haskell is beautiful, but it does have its warts. A Haskell 2.0 could > > incorporate some non-backwards-compatible changes which would make > > things a bit nicer. > > There are

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-22 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 15:36 +0200, Sebastian Sylvan wrote: > Haskell is beautiful, but it does have its warts. A Haskell 2.0 could > incorporate some non-backwards-compatible changes which would make > things a bit nicer. > There are tons of useful extensions in GHC which should be included. > >Fr

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-22 Thread Sebastian Sylvan
On 7/20/05, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There was a brief discussion on #haskell today about the Haskell > standard. I'd like to get opinions from more people, and ask if there > is any effort being done in this direction presently. > > I think an updated standard is overdue. I fin

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-21 Thread ajb
G'day all. Quoting Brian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Even if "undecidable instances" was standardized, would we want it > turned on by default? I am trying to write "real" programs in Haskell > and I have never even comtemplated using undecidable instances. There's only one situation where I've

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-21 Thread Brian Smith
On 7/20/05, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There was a brief discussion on #haskell today about the Haskell > standard. I'd like to get opinions from more people, and ask if there > is any effort being done in this direction presently. > > I think an updated standard is overdue. I fin

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-21 Thread Bernard Pope
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 09:39 +0100, Simon Peyton-Jones wrote: > In fact there's a well established way to express the results of such an > exercise: an Addendum to the Report. Two of the things you mention > here already are Addenda > http://haskell.org/definition/ > namely FFI and hierarch

RE: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-21 Thread Simon Peyton-Jones
| I think an updated standard is overdue. I find it difficult anymore to | write any but the most trivial of programs using pure Haskell 98. Some | notable, and widely-used, features developed since then include: | | * Overlapping instances | * FFI | * Hierarchical namespace | * Undecidable i

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-21 Thread Sam Goldman
(oops, forgot to cc to the list) Bulat Ziganshin wrote: > Hello John, > > Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 10:14:23 PM, you wrote: > > JG> It has been awhile since I wrote a Haskell program that can compile in > JG> pure Haskell 98 mode. I think it would benefit everyone if a more > JG> up-to-date st

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-21 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello John, Wednesday, July 20, 2005, 10:14:23 PM, you wrote: JG> It has been awhile since I wrote a Haskell program that can compile in JG> pure Haskell 98 mode. I think it would benefit everyone if a more JG> up-to-date standard were made available. imho, there is an unofficial standard made

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-20 Thread Fergus Henderson
On 20-Jul-2005, David Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can contribute some experience from commercial standardization efforts. > ANSI, IEEE, and ISO standards require re-ballotting every five years, > otherwise the standards lapse. Reballotting may or may not be accompanied > by changes in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-20 Thread David Barton
John Goerzen writes: There was a brief discussion on #haskell today about the Haskell standard. I'd like to get opinions from more people, and ask if there is any effort being done in this direction presently. I know that some people would like to hold off on such a process until their fav

[Haskell-cafe] Updating the Haskell Standard

2005-07-20 Thread John Goerzen
There was a brief discussion on #haskell today about the Haskell standard. I'd like to get opinions from more people, and ask if there is any effort being done in this direction presently. I think an updated standard is overdue. I find it difficult anymore to write any but the most trivial of pr