Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On 24 Dec 2008, at 08:13, Colin Paul Adams wrote: There are a lot of nice designs on the new_logo_ideas page. My favourite by far is Conal's. One thing I noticed - everyone seems to include lower-case lambda in the design, but no-one seems to have replaced the terminal double ell in Haskell with a double lambda. I already did that one -- it's up there. inline: Haskell.png Bob___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
You have to be unnecessarily strict to read the whole word Haskell and not just first one or two letters. On 24 Dec 2008, at 10:13, Colin Paul Adams wrote: There are a lot of nice designs on the new_logo_ideas page. My favourite by far is Conal's. One thing I noticed - everyone seems to include lower-case lambda in the design, but no-one seems to have replaced the terminal double ell in Haskell with a double lambda. -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Quoth Miguel Mitrofanov: You have to be unnecessarily strict to read the whole word Haskell and not just first one or two letters. Not true, if you're looking forward to what may follow Haskell. Cheers, John ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
My design, entitled Origami-lambda-supernova-warp, consists of an H composed of two identical vertically tiled lambdas warping from a supernova. It symbolizes the warp of the Haskell-lambda away from the O of object-orientation (symbolized by the supernova). Created in Inkscape, then adjusted in GIMP. First attempt at graphic design. Already posted two days ago at http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_logos/New_logo_ideas. -- Benjamin L. Russell -- Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com http://dekudekuplex.wordpress.com/ Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725 Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. -- Matsuo Basho^ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
There are a lot of nice designs on the new_logo_ideas page. My favourite by far is Conal's. One thing I noticed - everyone seems to include lower-case lambda in the design, but no-one seems to have replaced the terminal double ell in Haskell with a double lambda. -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:11 -0500, sam lee skyn...@gmail.com wrote: http://i35.tinypic.com/mjon83.png used this: http://www.simwebsol.com/ImageTool/Default.aspx This logo still has not been uploaded to the Haskell logos/New logo ideas (http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_logos/New_logo_ideas) page. Could you please upload it before it is forgotten? -- Benjamin L. Russell -- Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com http://dekudekuplex.wordpress.com/ Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725 Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. -- Matsuo Basho^ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On 2008 Dec 17, at 8:42, Darrin Thompson wrote: X monad could have a variant of this logo too. X= (That's how I originally thought of it, just was too lazy to post it anywhere. Sorry about that.) Or just a lambda with an extra contrasting stroke to make an X (λ' very roughly, if you have the right font). -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] allb...@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allb...@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon universityKF8NH ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
BTW, in Russian the character X (pronounced a bit like English H) is the first letter in Haskell. On 21 Dec 2008, at 21:48, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 2008 Dec 17, at 8:42, Darrin Thompson wrote: X monad could have a variant of this logo too. X= (That's how I originally thought of it, just was too lazy to post it anywhere. Sorry about that.) Or just a lambda with an extra contrasting stroke to make an X (λ' very roughly, if you have the right font). -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] allb...@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allb...@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering, carnegie mellon university KF8NH ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
George Pollard por...@porg.es writes: Might be interesting to try angling the ends of the stems to look something more like the guillemot in [1]. I might try this in Gimp but I'm no designer :P If you're on Linux or similar, I recommend Inkscape for this kind of thing. -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Hi Might be interesting to try angling the ends of the stems to look something more like the guillemot in [1]. I might try this in Gimp but I'm no designer :P If you're on Linux or similar, I recommend Inkscape for this kind of thing. If you're on Windows, Inkscape also works well for most graphics tasks (unless you bought a copy of Xara X, in which case use that unless you want SVG output) Thanks Neil ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
m...@justinbogner.com wrote: George Pollard por...@porg.es writes: On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 02:47 +, Jeff Wheeler wrote: I love this ASCII-art version. I tried to make a vector version of it in Photoshop, and I came up with this [1] and [2]. Any critiques/suggestions? I'm thinking about a second version that more obviously defines the second '' with color from the bottom-right part of the lambda. Jeff Wheeler [1]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo1.png [2]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo2.png I like the first version better. :) I'd suggest making the lambda/arrow a bit straighter and beefing up the size of the equals in relation to the rest of the symbol :) I also like the first better. If the equals was ever so slightly wider, it would be absolutely perfect. The first is real nice. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
2008/12/17 Neal Alexander wqeqwe...@hotmail.com: m...@justinbogner.com wrote: George Pollard por...@porg.es writes: On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 02:47 +, Jeff Wheeler wrote: I love this ASCII-art version. I tried to make a vector version of it in Photoshop, and I came up with this [1] and [2]. Any critiques/suggestions? I'm thinking about a second version that more obviously defines the second '' with color from the bottom-right part of the lambda. Jeff Wheeler [1]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo1.png [2]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo2.png I like the first version better. :) I'd suggest making the lambda/arrow a bit straighter and beefing up the size of the equals in relation to the rest of the symbol :) I also like the first better. If the equals was ever so slightly wider, it would be absolutely perfect. The first is real nice. It has a military feeling I don't like... Cheers, Thu ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
It has a military feeling I don't like... Might look cuddlier with slightly rounded edges. That's what all the cool kids[1] are doing anyway ;) [1]: http://www.python.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 08:42 -0500, Darrin Thompson wrote: If you play with the angles and vary the stroke thicknesses you'll probably get a friendlier look, vs. the military/airline look these have now. The first '' doesn't have to be the same thickness as the lambda. Just another $0.02 us. Thanks for running with it. Those look like I imagined. Thanks for the feedback. I've made two versions[1][2] with subtle rounded edges, although now it becomes evident that I have no design skills. :) I tried giving them varying thicknesses, but I couldn't get anything to look quite right. Everybody is welcome to hack it; I've uploaded a PSD [3] (Photoshop src file); unfortunately, I don't have Illustrator and Inkscape is failing to compile. It might be easier for people to hack if somebody could convert this to an Inkscape file. :-/ X monad could have a variant of this logo too. X= (That's how I originally thought of it, just was too lazy to post it anywhere. Sorry about that.) I like that too; not sure what to do for Yi, though. Anybody mind if I add these to the wiki, too? I feel like I'm taking up tons of space, there. Jeff Wheeler [1] http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo8.png [2] http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo9.png [3] http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo-rounded.psd signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Jeff Wheeler j...@nokrev.com wrote: [1]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo1.png [2]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo2.png Oops, I meant to post on list. If you play with the angles and vary the stroke thicknesses you'll probably get a friendlier look, vs. the military/airline look these have now. The first '' doesn't have to be the same thickness as the lambda. Just another $0.02 us. Thanks for running with it. Those look like I imagined. What I like about the design is anybody can draw it in 5 strokes and it's unmistakably what it is. Sharpie, pencil, even spray paint all work. You could make your own hat or t-shirt and wear it to an important event, or a wedding. You could tag a rival cube farm wall to declare some kind of office war. X monad could have a variant of this logo too. X= (That's how I originally thought of it, just was too lazy to post it anywhere. Sorry about that.) -- Darrin ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Any critiques/suggestions? I'm thinking about a second version that more obviously defines the second '' with color from the bottom-right part of the lambda. Jeff Wheeler [1]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo1.png [2]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo2.png I like the first version better. :) I'd suggest making the lambda/arrow a bit straighter and beefing up the size of the equals in relation to the rest of the symbol :) I also like the first better. If the equals was ever so slightly wider, it would be absolutely perfect. The first is real nice. The [1] is really nice and I would love to see other variations with the wider equal and a bit more rounded edges as was proposed by others. Also the long bar of the lambda may be slightly rounded (as an integral sign), maybe just at the bottom part to avoid disturbing the . That would make the logo less military too. As an answer to the critics that referring to the monad would be elitist, I think this it is a non-issue since someone unfamiliar with Haskell would judge the logo purely on its graphical appeal. For me, the criteria of a good logo are: * Simplicity * Graphically pleasant * Do not degrade too much if printed in black and white vs. color or when resized to icon size. The fact it can be rendered in ascii-art is even better. The relation to the topic is quiet optional (hence all the cute-animal-based logo). It is however welcomed when it doesn't hurt the design (as in [1]). By comparison, the current logo performs very badly on all these criteria. Cheers, -Regis Saint-Paul ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Darrin Thompson wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Jeff Wheeler j...@nokrev.com wrote: [1]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo1.png [2]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo2.png Oops, I meant to post on list. If you play with the angles and vary the stroke thicknesses you'll probably get a friendlier look, vs. the military/airline look these have now. The first '' doesn't have to be the same thickness as the lambda. If you look at fonts: characters in a font aren't all straight either; they bend a bit (so that is more than just round corners) and this makes them a lot more interesting. Various levels of bendiness yield various levels of playfulness. While I already like this logo a lot, I think it could be improved a lot more by making it more fonty. Note that I'm not saying it should be a very playful logo, just a more fonty one... yeah. Martijn. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 21:46 +0100, Martijn van Steenbergen wrote: If you play with the angles and vary the stroke thicknesses you'll probably get a friendlier look, vs. the military/airline look these have now. The first '' doesn't have to be the same thickness as the lambda. If you look at fonts: characters in a font aren't all straight either; they bend a bit (so that is more than just round corners) and this makes them a lot more interesting. Various levels of bendiness yield various levels of playfulness. While I already like this logo a lot, I think it could be improved a lot more by making it more fonty. Note that I'm not saying it should be a very playful logo, just a more fonty one... yeah. Might be interesting to try angling the ends of the stems to look something more like the guillemot in [1]. I might try this in Gimp but I'm no designer :P [1] http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/6/62/Haskell_logo_ideas_falconnl.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Jeff Wheeler wrote: [1]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo1.png [2]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo2.png As others have said: - I very much like the concept of this. It's clean, simple, elegant. Like Haskell! - Yeah, it does look a tad harsh. Maybe curvy edges? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Might be interesting to try angling the ends of the stems to look something more like the guillemot in [1]. I might try this in Gimp but I'm no designer :P Here is what I got; I think I chose the wrong yellow :) Based it on the font Diavlo, which is free. attachment: hasklogo.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Darrin Thompson wrote: What I like about the design is anybody can draw it in 5 strokes and it's unmistakably what it is. Sharpie, pencil, even spray paint all work. You could make your own hat or t-shirt and wear it to an important event, or a wedding. You could tag a rival cube farm wall to declare some kind of office war. +1 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 09:55 +1300, George Pollard wrote: Might be interesting to try angling the ends of the stems to look something more like the guillemot in [1]. I might try this in Gimp but I'm no designer :P Unfortunately, neither am I. :P The curvey version (3rd and 4th images on the wiki) is about the extent of my graphic ability, but I'll try to give it a shot regardless. Thanks for the feedback. :) Jeff Wheeler signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 09:34:15PM +, Andrew Coppin wrote: - I very much like the concept of this. It's clean, simple, elegant. Like Haskell! But Haskell isn't Clean. (SCNR) Ciao, Kili ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
2008/12/17 George Pollard por...@porg.es: Might be interesting to try angling the ends of the stems to look something more like the guillemot in [1]. I might try this in Gimp but I'm no designer :P Here is what I got; I think I chose the wrong yellow :) Based it on the font Diavlo, which is free. I love this one. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
To be eligible, you will need to upload them. Entries not displayed here won't be eligible. Do the images really have to be uploaded to the wiki or are external links on the wiki page ok? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Jeff Wheeler wrote: On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Ryan Grant wrote: nice. the first is better. in the second, i don't even see the lambda. Thanks the feedback. I just uploaded a new version [1] that is icon-sized, although the font used is Helvetica Neue, which is non-free. I have no free fonts on my Mac, unfortunately, so it'll stay for the moment. Jeff Wheeler [1] http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo4.png Another thought would be to have the lower *left* leg of the lambda set off by a different color. Hence something like ,\= Done properly I could see it making the lambda vs. monad alternation more natural. Another suggestion is that the lambda highlighted version (logo1.png) seems a bit top-heavy for the lambda. Moving the centerline up a bit in order to widen the base of the lambda should help that, as well as reducing the militaristic aspect. Of all the versions I've seen, I'd really like some incarnation of this idea to be the new logo. The \=Haskell one works really well for the named-logo effect, and the simplicity of the five strokes really lets the logo stand on its own as well. It's been a long time since I've done graphic design, so all my tools have rusted. But I could see if some old friends would be interested in taking a whack at it. -- Live well, ~wren ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Neal Alexander wrote: To be eligible, you will need to upload them. Entries not displayed here won't be eligible. Do the images really have to be uploaded to the wiki or are external links on the wiki page ok? Uploading to the wiki has the benefit of proving, up front, that you will be cool about licensing your logo entry. - -- gwern -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREKAAYFAklJsSEACgkQvpDo5Pfl1oLBKgCfdkPFexBX5hlHWooOZSrbrFBg gwwAnRuyPaNjt8rFya1eFcb4Gy3y4XMP =uu2K -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
wqeqweuqy: To be eligible, you will need to upload them. Entries not displayed here won't be eligible. Do the images really have to be uploaded to the wiki or are external links on the wiki page ok? External is fine. Just make sure they're visible on the page. Thanks! - Don ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Darrin Thompson darri...@gmail.com writes: \\ \\ \\ \\ \| \\ \\ --- \\ \\ // / \ // / \ \| // / /\\ --- // / / \\ +1 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
Darrin Thompson darrinth at gmail.com writes: My $0.02 us: Apologies for ascii art, and hopefully gmail doesn't munge this: I love this ASCII-art version. I tried to make a vector version of it in Photoshop, and I came up with this [1] and [2]. Any critiques/suggestions? I'm thinking about a second version that more obviously defines the second '' with color from the bottom-right part of the lambda. Jeff Wheeler [1]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo1.png [2]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo2.png ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 02:47 +, Jeff Wheeler wrote: Darrin Thompson darrinth at gmail.com writes: My $0.02 us: Apologies for ascii art, and hopefully gmail doesn't munge this: I love this ASCII-art version. I tried to make a vector version of it in Photoshop, and I came up with this [1] and [2]. Any critiques/suggestions? I'm thinking about a second version that more obviously defines the second '' with color from the bottom-right part of the lambda. Jeff Wheeler [1]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo1.png [2]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo2.png I like the first version better. :) I'd suggest making the lambda/arrow a bit straighter and beefing up the size of the equals in relation to the rest of the symbol :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Ryan Grant wrote: nice. the first is better. in the second, i don't even see the lambda. Thanks the feedback. I just uploaded a new version [1] that is icon- sized, although the font used is Helvetica Neue, which is non-free. I have no free fonts on my Mac, unfortunately, so it'll stay for the moment. Jeff Wheeler [1] http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo4.png ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Time for a new logo?
George Pollard por...@porg.es writes: On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 02:47 +, Jeff Wheeler wrote: I love this ASCII-art version. I tried to make a vector version of it in Photoshop, and I came up with this [1] and [2]. Any critiques/suggestions? I'm thinking about a second version that more obviously defines the second '' with color from the bottom-right part of the lambda. Jeff Wheeler [1]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo1.png [2]: http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo2.png I like the first version better. :) I'd suggest making the lambda/arrow a bit straighter and beefing up the size of the equals in relation to the rest of the symbol :) I also like the first better. If the equals was ever so slightly wider, it would be absolutely perfect. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
