Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-23 Thread Jonathan Cast
On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 02:45 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PR Stanley writes: One of the reasons I'm interested in Wikipedia and Wikibook is because you're more likely to find Latex source code used for typesetting the maths. Latex is the one and only 100% tool right now. A lot of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-19 Thread Doug Quale
Henning Thielemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most proofs in mathematics use intuitive arguments, most proofs are not formalized enough in order to be checked by machines. Ok, this can be considered a deficiency of machine provers. But in the history there were famous proofs which turned out

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-19 Thread Andrew Coppin
Paul Brown wrote: On 10/17/07, PR Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? I trust most of them to not be wrong, but I don't trust them to be right. Mathematical concepts are bit like binary search -- getting the flavor right isn't that

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-19 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Jules Bean wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *PLEASE*, show me untrustworthy Wikipedia pages. Any article on a disputed territory or open political dispute. Most articles on a controversial philosophy. Many articles on living people. Articles on controversal topics

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-19 Thread Jules Bean
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *PLEASE*, show me untrustworthy Wikipedia pages. Any article on a disputed territory or open political dispute. Most articles on a controversial philosophy. Many articles on living people. I hope I don't have to give examples. Certainly I don't wish to discuss any

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-19 Thread Paul Brown
On 10/17/07, PR Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? I trust most of them to not be wrong, but I don't trust them to be right. Mathematical concepts are bit like binary search -- getting the flavor right isn't that difficult, but being concise,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
Dan Weston writes: I find the mathematics is more accurate on http://www.conservapedia.com Their facts get checked by the Almighty Himself! ;) Since decent people here pointed out how my sarcasm may be blessing and useless, I must ask (living so far from the Bible Belt that I miss all

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread Ketil Malde
PR Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? Generally, yes. Another site you might want to cross check with is Wolfram Research's Mathworld: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, PR Stanley wrote: Hi Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? Paul To a first approximation - trust but verify. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you mean Philippa. I believe Phillipa is the one from an alternate universe, who has a beard and programs in BASIC,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread David Barton
: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia? On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, PR Stanley wrote: Hi Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? Paul To a first approximation - trust but verify. ___ Haskell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
David Barton writes: The trustworthy articles on Wikipedia have references that can be checked, and read. The ones without references are not to be trusted.. Let's apply (illegally) some recursive reasoning. Why should we trust Dave Barton? He didn't give any references either!

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread Martin Percossi
http://www.conservapedia.com/Examples_of_Bias_in_Wikipedia -- if not ordained directly from the Almighty, then at least by his earth-bound agents! No, but seriously, I agree with Le Hacker Soleil, news of wikipedia's inaccuracies is greatly exaggerated. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread Tim Chevalier
On 10/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Weston writes: I find the mathematics is more accurate on http://www.conservapedia.com Their facts get checked by the Almighty Himself! ;) Since decent people here pointed out how my sarcasm may be blessing and useless, I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread R Hayes
shai dorsai On Oct 18, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 19:53 , John Meacham wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 02:31:10AM +0100, PR Stanley wrote: Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? Certainly! I honestly think wikipedia is one of man's

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread Dan Weston
Some content I have found beneficial in the past when I have stumbled into misunderstandings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Assume_good_faith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PR Stanley writes: One of the reasons I'm interested in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread PR Stanley
At 01:48 19/10/2007, you wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 02:45:45AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PR Stanley writes: One of the reasons I'm interested in Wikipedia and Wikibook is because you're more likely to find Latex source code used for typesetting the maths. Latex is the one and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread Stefan O'Rear
On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 03:06:21AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan O'Rear writes: ... Latex page sources are infinitely superior to unadorned images of unknown providence. Of course, most certainly! But I failed to understand the relation to Wikipedia. OK, I see. If you look at the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread Dipankar Ray
PR: I think that an email to Tim Gowers would yield LaTeX source for the pdf articles in his Princeton Companion to Mathematics, in case it has articles on topics you care about: http://gowers.wordpress.com/category/princeton-companion-to-mathematics/ On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Stefan O'Rear

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
PR Stanley writes: One of the reasons I'm interested in Wikipedia and Wikibook is because you're more likely to find Latex source code used for typesetting the maths. Latex is the one and only 100% tool right now. A lot of publishers use Latex but try to get anything from them in electronic

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Oct 18, 2007, at 19:53 , John Meacham wrote: On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 02:31:10AM +0100, PR Stanley wrote: Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? Certainly! I honestly think wikipedia is one of man's greatest achievements, and it is just in its infancy. For what it's worth,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread John Meacham
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 02:31:10AM +0100, PR Stanley wrote: Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? Certainly! I honestly think wikipedia is one of man's greatest achievements, and it is just in its infancy. John -- John Meacham - ⑆repetae.net⑆john⑈

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread Stefan O'Rear
On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 02:45:45AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PR Stanley writes: One of the reasons I'm interested in Wikipedia and Wikibook is because you're more likely to find Latex source code used for typesetting the maths. Latex is the one and only 100% tool right now. A lot of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread PR Stanley
Hi thank you for all your replies. One of the reasons I'm interested in Wikipedia and Wikibook is because you're more likely to find Latex source code used for typesetting the maths. Latex is the one and only 100% tool right now. A lot of publishers use Latex but try to get anything from them

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-18 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
Stefan O'Rear writes: ... Latex page sources are infinitely superior to unadorned images of unknown providence. Of course, most certainly! But I failed to understand the relation to Wikipedia. OK, I see. If you look at the sources, several pages have the img ... accompagnied by the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-17 Thread Stefan O'Rear
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 02:31:10AM +0100, PR Stanley wrote: Hi Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? Paul Yes, unless they look like they were written by a crackpot. It's kinda hard to introduce errors when any sufficiently unobvious fact is accompanied by a proof sketch. Stefan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-17 Thread Dan Piponi
The mathematics is probably the most reliable part of Wikipedia. -- Dan On 10/17/07, PR Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Do you trust mathematical materials on Wikipedia? Paul ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-17 Thread Dan Weston
I find the mathematics is more accurate on http://www.conservapedia.com Their facts get checked by the Almighty Himself! ;) Dan Piponi wrote: The mathematics is probably the most reliable part of Wikipedia. -- Dan On 10/17/07, PR Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Do you trust mathematical

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-17 Thread Dipankar Ray
I like wikipedia for mathematics quite a lot. However, I thought I might direct attention to the in-progress Princeton Companion to Mathematics: http://gowers.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/hello-world/ On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Dan Weston wrote: I find the mathematics is more accurate on

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-17 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Oct 17, 2007, at 22:25 , Dan Weston wrote: I find the mathematics is more accurate on http://www.conservapedia.com Their facts get checked by the Almighty Himself! ;) I Kings 7:23? :p -- brandon s. allbery [solaris,freebsd,perl,pugs,haskell] [EMAIL PROTECTED] system administrator

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Do you trust Wikipedia?

2007-10-17 Thread Nicolas Frisby
It is truly irresponsible to post such interesting links on a mailing list! :) I resent and thank you for the last couple hours. On 10/17/07, Dan Weston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find the mathematics is more accurate on http://www.conservapedia.com Their facts get checked by the Almighty