Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-19 Thread Simon Peyton Jones via Haskell-community
. (Brexit, perhaps, but Haskell??) But many thanks to Gershom and Taylor for dealing with it so professionally. Simon From: Haskell-community On Behalf Of Michael Snoyman Sent: 18 November 2018 19:32 To: Taylor Fausak Cc: haskell-community@haskell.org Subject: Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Richard Eisenberg
OK. Thanks for sharing some statistics. I'm now convinced as to the characterization of the attack. I'm still glad for how the public post diplomatically handled this. > I will also say, though there's speculation about "false flags" and Oof. That thought never crossed my mind. I can only

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Francesco Ariis
Hello Richard, On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 11:20:52PM -0500, Richard Eisenberg wrote: > I have not analyzed the data myself, but I wonder how we jumped to the > conclusion that the troll was trying to promote Stack. Is there > statistical data that supports that conclusion? For example, just reading

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Chris Smith
> For example, just reading this thread, it sounds like the bogus responses also really don't like the new release schedule. Maybe the troll wants the old release schedule back and was just lazy about programming the tool to vary the stack/cabal question answers adequately. There is another

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Richard Eisenberg
I have not analyzed the data myself, but I wonder how we jumped to the conclusion that the troll was trying to promote Stack. Is there statistical data that supports that conclusion? For example, just reading this thread, it sounds like the bogus responses also really don't like the new release

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Gershom B
The language extensions section doesn’t appear to be sorted properly. Outside of that, I think that these results are looking much better and any effort to find any additional outliers is probably not worth it for the moment. Thanks for your work on this, and I appreciate you being responsive and

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Michael Snoyman
Just wanted to add in: good catch Gershom on identifying the problem, and thank you Taylor for working to remove them from the report. > On 18 Nov 2018, at 21:17, Taylor Fausak wrote: > > Great catch, Gershom! There are indeed about 300 responses that tick all the > boxes except for disliking

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Taylor Fausak
Great catch, Gershom! There are indeed about 300 responses that tick all the boxes except for disliking the new GHC release schedule. The main thing the attacker seemed to be interested in was over-representing Stack and Stackage. Also, bizarrely, Java. That brings the number of bogus responses up

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Chris Smith
t; —Gershom > > > > On November 18, 2018 at 1:10:31 AM, Gershom B (gersh...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > This is interesting, but I’m thoroughly confused. Over 2500 people said > they took last year’s survey, but it only had roughly 1,300 respondants? > > > On S

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Gershom B
t doesn’t bode well for > future surveys as they may get at least slightly less dumb in the future if > they decide to keep it up :-/ > > —Gershom > > > > On November 18, 2018 at 1:10:31 AM, Gershom B (gersh...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > This is interesting, but I’m

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Taylor Fausak
s case we can weed out the bad responses (although, sadly, >>>> losing at least a few real ones as well).>>>> >>>> However, assuming this party isn’t entirely stupid, it doesn’t >>>> bode well for future surveys as they may get at least slightly less

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Taylor Fausak
for future surveys as they may get at least slightly less dumb >>> in the future if they decide to keep it up :-/>>> >>> —Gershom >>> >>> >>> >>> On November 18, 2018 at 1:10:31 AM, Gershom B (gersh...@gmail.com) >>>

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-18 Thread Chris Smith
;> On November 18, 2018 at 1:10:31 AM, Gershom B (gersh...@gmail.com) wrote: >> >> This is interesting, but I’m thoroughly confused. Over 2500 people said >> they took last year’s survey, but it only had roughly 1,300 respondants? >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 17, 20

Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-17 Thread Gershom B
Taylor Fausak wrote: > Hello! It took a little longer than I expected, but I am nearly ready to > announce the 2018 state of Haskell survey results. Some community members > have expressed interest in seeing the announcement post before it's > published. If you are one of those peo

[Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results

2018-11-17 Thread Taylor Fausak
Hello! It took a little longer than I expected, but I am nearly ready to announce the 2018 state of Haskell survey results. Some community members have expressed interest in seeing the announcement post before it's published. If you are one of those people, you can see the results here: https