RDA proper makes no recommendations about MARC sub-fields, and $f is still a functioning and valid sub-field.
I've been adding them whenever the UT is for an expression and there's a conflict with an extant authority, or when one 24010 Works needs to be distinguished from another 24010 Works. As a courtesy to everyone else, I've been trying to establish everything. B On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Jay Rovner <jarov...@jtsa.edu> wrote: > Perhaps I am missing something. I thought that RDA cataloging no longer used > subfield f dates in uniform titles. So is the information below of historical > interest only, or are $$f dates indeed being added? > > JR > > Jay Rovner, PhD > Manuscript Bibliographer > The Library of The Jewish Theological Seminary > 5501 Library > 3080 Broadway > New York City, New York 10027 > (212) 678-8045 > > Please note: The JTS Library’s archives are temporarily to accommodate > packing of our Special Collections in advance of our rebuilding project. The > archives will reopen on January 4, 2016, in the Temporary Library located on > the 7th floor of JTS’s Kripke and Schiff buildings. > > The Special Collections are closed for approximately four years. Reference > services for the Special Collections will continue throughout this period. > Please be sure to check for digital copies of manuscripts and rare books. > > For help in finding what you might need, please email sadiam...@jtsa.edu or > s...@jtsa.edu with Special Collections requests, or our reference librarians > or visit the Library’s website. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jarovner=jtsa....@lists.osu.edu] On > Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:27 PM > To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel > Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date) > > For what it's worth, as I understand it, parentheses are for works and $f is > for expressions. > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Heidi G Lerner <ler...@stanford.edu> wrote: >> Yes! >> >> >> Heidi G. Lerner >> >> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica >> >> Metadata Dept. >> >> Stanford University Libraries >> >> Stanford, CA 94305-6004 >> >> ph: 650-725-9953 >> >> fax: 650-725-1120 >> >> e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Jasmin >> Shinohara <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:28 PM >> To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel >> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date) >> >> See Stephen Hearn's email from yesterday (3:02PM), where he says: >> >> "Yes, it would be more in keeping with MARC21 to add a date qualifier >> to subfield $p in parentheses without $f when it distinguishes the >> work being named. In the MARC21 Bib Format under Heading Fields, X30, >> the text distinguishes between "date of publication" added to a >> uniform title field in subfield $f and "Date added parenthetically to >> distinguish between identical uniform titles" without separate subfield >> coding." >> >> As I understand it, when added in parenthesis the date is needed as >> part of the access point for differentiation; in $f it's just added >> for the sake of extra information. >> >> Heidi, do I understand that correctly? >> >> On 11/16/2015 1:56 PM, Judith Zupnick wrote: >> >> What is the difference whether one records the date in subfield f or >> in parentheses? >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Heidi G >> Lerner <ler...@stanford.edu> >> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:44 AM >> To: HebNACO >> Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date) >> >> FYI >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "Adam L. Schiff" <asch...@uw.edu> >> Date: November 13, 2015 at 4:03:49 PM EST >> To: <pccl...@listserv.loc.gov> >> Subject: [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date) >> Reply-To: Program for Cooperative Cataloging >> <pccl...@listserv.loc.gov> >> >> I did a keyword search today in the OCLC authority file for titles >> containing the words works, selections, and 2015. There are records >> like >> these: >> >> >> >> Ashlag, Yehudah. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015) >> >> Dōgen, ǂd 1200-1253. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015) >> >> Jano, Jack. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015) >> >> Kook, Abraham Isaac, ǂd 1865-1935. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015) >> >> Lovecraft, H. P. ǂq (Howard Phillips), ǂd 1890-1937. ǂt Works. ǂk >> Selections >> (2015) >> >> >> >> But many, many more records like these: >> >> >> >> Austen, Jane, ǂd 1775-1817. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 >> >> Benjamin, Walter, ǂd 1892-1940. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 >> >> Chopin, Kate, ǂd 1850-1904. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 >> >> Jackson, Shirley, ǂd 1916-1965. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 >> >> Lawrence, D. H. ǂq (David Herbert), ǂd 1885-1930. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. >> ǂf 2015 >> >> Madison, James, ǂd 1751-1836. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 >> >> Man Ray, ǂd 1890-1976. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 >> >> Noonan, Peggy, ǂd 1950- ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 >> >> >> >> And more complicated ones such as: >> >> >> >> Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Editorial >> Universidad de Talca) >> >> Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Eterna Cadencia >> Editora) >> >> >> >> Since Works. Selections is considered a work access point and not an >> expression point, when breaking a conflict with another collection >> that has the same collective title, the qualifier(s) should be put in >> paretheses and no subfielding is used in such a situation (work >> qualifiers are never preceded by subfield coding). >> >> >> >> It doesn’t look like many NACO catalogers understand this from the >> disparity between the number of correctly coded records and the incorrectly >> coded >> ones. Do we need somehow to do a better job of teaching this? Do we need >> a project to clean up all the incorrectly coded Works. Selections RDA >> access points? Or does it not matter? >> >> >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> Adam L. Schiff >> >> Principal Cataloger >> >> University of Washington Libraries >> >> Box 352900 >> >> Seattle, WA 98195-2900 >> >> asch...@uw.edu >> >> (206) 543-8409 >> >> (206) 685-8782 fax >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Heb-naco mailing list >> Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Heb-naco mailing list >> Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco >> > > > > -- > Bob Talbott > > Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger > > UC Berkeley > > 250 Moffitt > > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > יול נא מי באי מאי בלאק טעלעסקאפ > _______________________________________________ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco -- Bob Talbott Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger UC Berkeley 250 Moffitt Berkeley, CA 94720 יול נא מי באי מאי בלאק טעלעסקאפ _______________________________________________ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
