Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate Core 3.3 / HEM/HAN 3.4.0 migration hooplas

2008-09-19 Thread Pablo Nussembaum
As an hibernate user, I like that exception be thrown during the configuration process. I mean that you can try to log something and trap the CNFE there. Chris Bredesen wrote: > Emmanuel Bernard wrote: > >> Thinking out loud. Couldn't we check if the first SLF4J call raises >> CNFE and wraps that

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate Core 3.3 / HEM/HAN 3.4.0 migration hooplas

2008-09-19 Thread Chris Bredesen
Emmanuel Bernard wrote: Thinking out loud. Couldn't we check if the first SLF4J call raises CNFE and wraps that in a meaningful Exception HibernateException("You forgot to add a SLF4J implementation (like slf4log4j) in your class path, go do slf4j.org blah blah"); If this is doable (sounds li

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate Core 3.3 / HEM/HAN 3.4.0 migration hooplas

2008-09-19 Thread Emmanuel Bernard
On Sep 18, 2008, at 15:32, Steve Ebersole wrote: For the slf4j bit, I don't see how. They just need to add one of the slf4j jars as a dep. Certainly we should be define that that is needed, but sorry I just don't see what is so hard about doing that. Thinking out loud. Couldn't we che

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate Core 3.3 / HEM/HAN 3.4.0 migration hooplas

2008-09-19 Thread Emmanuel Bernard
On Sep 18, 2008, at 15:32, Steve Ebersole wrote: The documentation, much like the wiki, I just do not update because it is a PITA. I have the built documentation if anyone wants to upload it and manage that hassle. Updated the reference guide. 2 mins. Granted it was harder this time, I

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate Core 3.3 / HEM/HAN 3.4.0 migration hooplas

2008-09-19 Thread Steve Ebersole
That I could change in the distribution bundling. JIRA please... - Steve Ebersole Project Lead http://hibernate.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Principal Software Engineer JBoss, a division of Red Hat http://jboss.com http://redhat.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 09:07 -

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate Core 3.3 / HEM/HAN 3.4.0 migration hooplas

2008-09-19 Thread Chris Bredesen
Emmanuel Bernard wrote: Lost of people are bitten by the slf4j implementation drop issue: unless you drop an slf4j impl, you get nasty CNFE. I wonder if we could make that easier for users. I had a chat with a former coworker last night who was starting with Hibernate and had downloaded 3.3.

Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate Core 3.3 / HEM/HAN 3.4.0 migration hooplas

2008-09-18 Thread Steve Ebersole
Really we just need a section for core 3.3 on the migration guide. I was really just hoping to be able to hold off until after we have the new wiki/infrastructure available to us. But given history that will not be around for quite a while :( I'll look at doing this tomorrow. For the slf4j bit,

[hibernate-dev] Hibernate Core 3.3 / HEM/HAN 3.4.0 migration hooplas

2008-09-18 Thread Emmanuel Bernard
Matt Raible has some interesting feedbacks on the migration. http://raibledesigns.com/rd/entry/upgrading_hibernate_to_3_4 There does not seem to be a readme file in the dist anymore. It probably would be nice to tell people to use the JBoss Maven repo and some words about the distro structure