Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

Btw, it's not à one line array, you also have he Java version. So maybe what's missing is a header to make it clearer? > Le 28 sept. 2017 à 16:33, Guillaume Smet a écrit : > >> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: >> But I see

Re: [hibernate-dev] ORM release process

To be honest, I think that is perfect process Guillaume. I can now define all that content and information in one place, which is a huge win. Which make me think of a future nice-to-have we could consider... to drive the release announcements (blog, emails, twitter, etc) from the content of a

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

That was a rich joke Sanne... On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM Sanne Grinovero wrote: > On 28 September 2017 at 15:10, Steve Ebersole wrote: > > If you really like the gold, why not try making that whole banner gold? > > It's expensive! > > > > > > >

Re: [hibernate-dev] ORM release process

Thanks Guillame the *orm/releases//index.adoc* file should be changed only in case of a major or minor not for a micro, am I right? On 28 September 2017 at 16:58, Chris Cranford wrote: > Thanks Guillaume. > > On 09/28/2017 10:25 AM, Guillaume Smet wrote: > > Hi ORM guys,

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > But I see how this can be far fetched, while there are objectinve > benefits from having a cleaner table, so feel free to remove it. > Well not really. I personally don't want to maintain specific templates for each

Re: [hibernate-dev] ORM release process

You just need to create it for a major. It's this page: http://hibernate.org/orm/releases/5.2/ presenting the whole major. You can keep it simple or add content to it presenting the major as done here in the What's new section: http://hibernate.org/search/releases/5.8/. For a minor or a micro,

Re: [hibernate-dev] ORM release process

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: > To be honest, I think that is perfect process Guillaume. I can now > define all that content and information in one place, which is a huge win. > Which make me think of a future nice-to-have we could consider... to

Re: [hibernate-dev] ORM release process

Thanks a lot Guillaume and Yoann, great work. On 28 September 2017 at 17:41, Steve Ebersole wrote: > To be honest, I think that is perfect process Guillaume. I can now define > all that content and information in one place, which is a huge win. Which > make me think of a

[hibernate-dev] "Hibernate Types" project

Hey Vlad, I recently learned about your "Hibernate Types" project [1]. It's great to see support for JSON, arrays, etc! Out of curiosity, though, why did you decide to make it a separate project instead of adding these very useful types to Hibernate itself? Seems it'd be easier for people to us

Re: [hibernate-dev] "Hibernate Types" project

I'm not so sure a single "extras" artifact/module makes the most sense though. Since some involve pulling in driver jars - I think (if we do this) we ought to have `hibernate-extras-base` as well as db-specific extensions (`hibernate-extras-pgsql`, ...). We had a similar discussion recently on

Re: [hibernate-dev] [website] Specific series page

Looks OK to me! On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Yoann Rodiere wrote: > So the order would be: > > * Compatibility > * Documentation > * How to get it > * What's new > * Migrate > * Releases in this series (we just renamed it, I think it pretty much > solves the issue we

Re: [hibernate-dev] "Hibernate Types" project

2017-09-28 11:28 GMT+02:00 Vlad Mihalcea : > Hi, > > It's because not all database support ARRAY or JSON. > > We've been discussing this on the mailing list (around one year ago) and I > remember we concluded that we can only add these types to ORM core > if the vast

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

Overall the new design looks amazing. I do agree with Andrea about the gold backgrounds - that looks anything but modern and does not match the rest of the site design imo. For another iteration... "Getting started" is another group of information that is version specific. A minor thing that I

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

Do y'all really think it makes sense to have JPA versions in this ORM "compatibility matrix"? My concern is that it is more involved (as we then try to convey in the section below that matrix) than a cell in a matrix/table with just a version number. If we end up treating JPA compatibility

Re: [hibernate-dev] "Hibernate Types" project

Hi, It's because not all database support ARRAY or JSON. We've been discussing this on the mailing list (around one year ago) and I remember we concluded that we can only add these types to ORM core if the vast majority of the Hibernate-supported database offer JSON or ARRAY. Also, even if we

Re: [hibernate-dev] Website - Remove the Google+ links

+1. Either we properly mirror our tweets/blog posts to G+, or we stop advertising that account. Yoann Rodière Hibernate NoORM Team yo...@hibernate.org On 28 September 2017 at 11:51, Guillaume Smet wrote: > Hi, > > We have a couple of Google+ links here and there on

Re: [hibernate-dev] Website - Remove the Google+ links

On 28 September 2017 at 10:51, Guillaume Smet wrote: > Hi, > > We have a couple of Google+ links here and there on the website. > > I was thinking we should probably remove them as they sound a bit 2010 and > I don't think we are actively maintaining it. > > WDYT?

Re: [hibernate-dev] Website - Remove the Google+ links

On 28 September 2017 at 11:11, Yoann Rodiere wrote: > +1. Either we properly mirror our tweets/blog posts to G+, or we stop > advertising that account. Let's try using G+ a bit more? > > > Yoann Rodière > Hibernate NoORM Team > yo...@hibernate.org > > On 28 September 2017

Re: [hibernate-dev] "Hibernate Types" project

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Gunnar Morling wrote: > I see. A separate project/repo under the Hibernate umbrella could be an > alternative, too ("Hibernate Extras" or so). I.e. some middle ground > between part of ORM proper and fully being 3rd party. > +1 to make it

Re: [hibernate-dev] [website] Specific series page

Done. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Guillaume Smet wrote: > Looks OK to me! > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Yoann Rodiere > wrote: > >> So the order would be: >> >> * Compatibility >> * Documentation >> * How to get it >> * What's new >>

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Guillaume Smet wrote: > I was talking about the ability to access the old series when they are not > displayed in the overview. > > AFAICS, this is definitely missing and we would need either a page with > all the series linked from the

Re: [hibernate-dev] "Hibernate Types" project

On 28 September 2017 at 11:39, Gunnar Morling wrote: > 2017-09-28 11:28 GMT+02:00 Vlad Mihalcea : > >> Hi, >> >> It's because not all database support ARRAY or JSON. >> >> We've been discussing this on the mailing list (around one year ago) and I >>

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

On 28 September 2017 at 08:21, Guillaume Smet wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Yoann Rodiere wrote: >> >> > >> > > As a user, I still need to be able to go to a given series page to >> >> > understand what was done (see my initial use

[hibernate-dev] Website - Remove the Google+ links

Hi, We have a couple of Google+ links here and there on the website. I was thinking we should probably remove them as they sound a bit 2010 and I don't think we are actively maintaining it. WDYT? -- Guillaume ___ hibernate-dev mailing list

Re: [hibernate-dev] Website - Remove the Google+ links

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > Personally I'm more of a Twitter user but some other people actually > used to advertise our stuff on G+ > > I think Steve manages that? Make sure to check with him before removing > these. > Ah yes, I should have

Re: [hibernate-dev] Website - Remove the Google+ links

I think it would be a good idea to post on Google+ whenever we add a new blog article On 28 September 2017 at 12:26, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > On 28 September 2017 at 11:11, Yoann Rodiere wrote: > > +1. Either we properly mirror our tweets/blog posts to

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

I think the new layout is fine except for the gold background colour of the project names, I really do not like it. What about an opinion from the jboss.org design team? On 26 September 2017 at 17:08, Guillaume Smet wrote: > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Davide

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: > Overall the new design looks amazing. I do agree with Andrea about the > gold backgrounds - that looks anything but modern and does not match the > rest of the site design imo. > Frankly, it feels weird without. So

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Guillaume Smet wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Steve Ebersole > wrote: > >> Overall the new design looks amazing. I do agree with Andrea about the >> gold backgrounds - that looks anything but modern and

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

On 28 September 2017 at 14:09, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > On 28 September 2017 at 13:11, Steve Ebersole wrote: >> Overall the new design looks amazing. I do agree with Andrea about the >> gold backgrounds - that looks anything but modern and does not

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

On 28 September 2017 at 13:11, Steve Ebersole wrote: > Overall the new design looks amazing. I do agree with Andrea about the > gold backgrounds - that looks anything but modern and does not match the > rest of the site design imo. > > For another iteration... "Getting

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

What's in the matrix is up to each project. You can remove content by editing the .yml file for each series, and removing elements from site.yml under projects.orm.integrations. I'd argue that moving away from the matrix for ORM just because Java compatibility is "not enough" will force us to add

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

On 28 September 2017 at 13:30, Steve Ebersole wrote: > Do y'all really think it makes sense to have JPA versions in this ORM > "compatibility matrix"? I think it's useful. Try booting a recent ORM version with an out of date JPA api jar: you'll get really weird exceptions

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

The question is not about whether to have that information. The question is whether a one row table spanning horizontally across the screen is the best presentation for that info. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 8:01 AM Sanne Grinovero wrote: > On 28 September 2017 at 13:30, Steve

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

Ah, so its retro-modern ;) So what happens if you remove the gold/light-gray completely and just use the dark-gray as background for the white-lettered words? Seems like that would JustWork. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 8:33 AM Guillaume Smet wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28,

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

Guillaume - If we must keep a background color, I think the new color you've changed on staging feels like it flows much more than the gold and is far more appealing to the eye, imo. Chris On 09/28/2017 09:32 AM, Guillaume Smet wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Guillaume Smet

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

P.S. Sorry, I would TIAS but my CSS skills are slight better than those of an ocelot. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 8:55 AM Steve Ebersole wrote: > Ah, so its retro-modern ;) > > So what happens if you remove the gold/light-gray completely and just use > the dark-gray as

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

OK, let's settle on the grey one then. Sigh. :) On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Chris Cranford wrote: > Guillaume - > > If we must keep a background color, I think the new color you've changed > on staging > feels like it flows much more than the gold and is far more

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

If you really like the gold, why not try making that whole banner gold? On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:09 AM Guillaume Smet wrote: > OK, let's settle on the grey one then. > > Sigh. :) > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Chris Cranford > wrote: > >>

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: > The question is not about whether to have that information. The question > is whether a one row table spanning horizontally across the screen is the > best presentation for that info. > Yeah, the example of ORM is

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

On 28 September 2017 at 14:53, Steve Ebersole wrote: > The question is not about whether to have that information. The question is > whether a one row table spanning horizontally across the screen is the best > presentation for that info. TBH I don't remember myself which

[hibernate-dev] ORM release process

Hi ORM guys, So with a new website comes new responsabilities. I updated the NoORM release process but I don't know where you put these information for ORM. So basically, when you release a new MAJOR version, you will have to take care of adding a *data/projects/orm/releases/series.yml *file

Re: [hibernate-dev] New layout for the website

On 28 September 2017 at 15:10, Steve Ebersole wrote: > If you really like the gold, why not try making that whole banner gold? It's expensive! > > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:09 AM Guillaume Smet > wrote: > >> OK, let's settle on the grey one

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

> > > As a user, I still need to be able to go to a given series page to > understand what was done (see my initial use case). But they can be in a > > older series section in small vs big boxes. > This is currently missing. NO, it is not missing. At least, the concept is there. The "What's

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

> On 28 Sep 2017, at 09:00, Yoann Rodiere wrote: > > And yes, there's too much content in this section for Search 5.8, but that's > mainly because there's too much content in 5.8 to begin with. Ah, finally an objective measurement to force Sanne to release smaller but

Re: [hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Yoann Rodiere wrote: > > > > > As a user, I still need to be able to go to a given series page to > > > understand what was done (see my initial use case). But they can be in a > > > older series section in small vs big boxes. > > This is

[hibernate-dev] [website] Specific series page

Hello Watching new.hibernate.org (2017-09-28 9:00 CET), I have two minor proposals. In frequency, I think people go read the docs online much more than they want to know how to get it. So I would put the Documentation section at the top (or below the compatibility matrix if you won’t budge).

Re: [hibernate-dev] [website] Specific series page

And I am +1 to push the new style today. These discussions are not linked. > On 28 Sep 2017, at 09:17, Emmanuel Bernard wrote: > > Hello > > Watching new.hibernate.org (2017-09-28 9:00 CET), I have two minor proposals. > > In frequency, I think people go read the docs

Re: [hibernate-dev] [website] Specific series page

So the order would be: * Compatibility * Documentation * How to get it * What's new * Migrate * Releases in this series (we just renamed it, I think it pretty much solves the issue we were having) Right? Seems ok to me, no strong opinion about that. As long as compatibility info stays at the

[hibernate-dev] NoORM IRC meeting minutes

Hi all, Better late that never, here are the minutes of this week's IRC meeting: 16:04 < jbott> Ending meeting. Generating minutes. Be patient :) 16:04 < jbott> Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 14:04:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 16:04 < jbott>