[Histonet] CLIA requirements
Hello, I have two questions. 1.) is there a CLIA email newsletter I can sign up for? And 2.) Does CLIA require a laboratory to have at least 1 certified Histotechnician? I work in a small urology histology lab where there are 2 histotechs (1 certified and 1 uncertified.) This lab is located in AZ. One of the histotechs went to school to be a histotech but never got certified and the other went to school and is certified (HT). The histotechs do the accessioning/grossing and general histotech duties. Because our lab is CLIA certified and soon to be CAP certified I was wondering if it was necessary to have at least 1 certified tech working there or if we can get by with just the uncertified tech who has been doing the job for about 10 years but only went to college and is uncertified. Thanks in advanced for the information! ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] GI biopsy slides
Thanks for the input everyone! I can let all involved that other labs have made the same change (such a dirty word :0) Elizabeth Rathborne, Toni trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com 9/10/2013 2:50 PM We've been doing this for years. You'd be surprised with the overall savings (slides, frequency of changing stains, storage), and also TAT since you'll be able to put through more cases on your stainer. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Chatfield Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:32 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] GI biopsy slides Hi folks, We are re-thinking how we cut our GI biopsy slides. Currently we are cutting 3 levels with 3 sections on each slide. Is anyone out there putting all 3 levels on the same slide? We are receiving cases with a large number of samples and some our pathologists would like to see fewer slides. Thanks, Elizabeth Charlottetown, PE - Statement of Confidentiality This message (including attachments) may contain confidential or privileged information intended for a specific individual or organization. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should promptly delete this email from your entire computer system. - Statement of Confidentiality This message (including attachments) may contain confidential or privileged information intended for a specific individual or organization. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should promptly delete this email from your entire computer system. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Decloaking Chamber
Does anyone have a used BioCare Decloaking Chamber (early model - that is still functioning) that they are interested is selling? Please contact me directly at the phone/email below. Thanks! Pat Patterson, HTL(ASCP) Supervisor, Immunohistochemistry ProPath 1355 River Bend Drive Dallas, TX 75247 214-237-1700 x 2027 214-237-1730 fax pat.patter...@propath.com To learn more about ProPath, please visit http://www.ProPath.com http://www.ProPath.com Don't miss out! Follow ProPath(R) on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and LinkedIn! This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient and may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] (no subject)
I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question. It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their choosing. i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc I am in Arkansas. My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital. I manage a pathology laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured. When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital staff refused to fulfill the request. We asked multiple times for a release form so my father could take his tissue with him. The administration employee we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else. My father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go. Questions: Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab they are contracted with? Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored? This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the situation for context in answering the questions.___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] (no subject)
Hi Clay, Most hospitals have a tissue committee that makes decisions about surgical specimens. These decisions become hospital policy. Most hospitals state that once a specimen is removed it essentially becomes the property of the hospital. Release of specimens is usually after it has been accessioned and grossed in for pathology reveiw. There is usually a form for that type of release. The hospital would be at risk if they let the specimen leave without following hospital policy. I am not saying it is right or wrong but I can see the logic in it. Once the specimen has been processed through the hospitals pathology department then blocks and slides can be requested for 2nd opinions. Good luck in your search for answers. Christie Gowan To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:38:10 + From: claymi...@hotmail.com Subject: [Histonet] (no subject) I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question. It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their choosing. i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc I am in Arkansas. My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital. I manage a pathology laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured. When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital staff refused to fulfill the request. We asked multiple times for a release form so my father could take his tissue with him. The administration employee we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else. My father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go. Questions: Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab they are contracted with? Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored? This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the situation for context in answering the questions. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology. I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview. Pam Marcum From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Well I am mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through masters in addition to proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a lot of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants though ( and I know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for an HT opening, which I thought was a pretty good turn out. Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: pamar...@uams.edu To: talulahg...@gmail.com; joellewea...@hotmail.com CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 + Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the rules of these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do need minimums for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies when patient tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am sure no one thinks of this often however; there are medical legal issues with insurance we have that do not apply for research. It is also clear that registration does not mean we don't have registered people who are not as good as they should be for excellent patient care. I have worked in research and while I would not ever say the hiring of non-registered people is a problem for research. It is often a specialty area that requires knowing more than routine Histology. I have done plastics in research that could not ever be used in routine Histology due to the time factors and in some cases limited use with staining applications, especially IHC for some procedures. Many other areas in research require more specialized training than would be used in a routine area. I would also add some really great techs are in many phases of research. I know MT who work in Histology and are not registered as the MT BS, overrides the HT requirement for many institutions. Many factors must be considered for both research and routine Histology that cover far more than just hiring registered people in certain areas of the laboratory. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to make the change. A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best. We have a few one year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs and HTLs. We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 years and no longer just cut and do HEs. I am not sure where to go as I have been bringing this up for years and see no movement. Take the test to be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly. It is 98% Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology. If you don't know Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology. I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview. Pam Marcum From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Well I am mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through masters in addition to proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a lot of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants though ( and I know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for an HT opening, which I thought was a pretty good turn out. Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: pamar...@uams.edu To: talulahg...@gmail.com; joellewea...@hotmail.com CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 + Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the rules of these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do need minimums for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies when patient tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am sure no
RE: [Histonet] (no subject)
Yes, regulations are set up that must be followed. What I did in this situation, was request the slides afterward for review by my doctors. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph’s Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of clay milks Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:38 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] (no subject) I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question. It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their choosing. i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc I am in Arkansas. My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital. I manage a pathology laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured. When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital staff refused to fulfill the request. We asked multiple times for a release form so my father could take his tissue with him. The administration employee we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else. My father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go. Questions: Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab they are contracted with? Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored? This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the situation for context in answering the questions. This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology. I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview. Pam Marcum From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Well I am mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through masters in addition to proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a lot of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants though ( and I know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for an HT opening, which I thought was a pretty good turn out. Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: pamar...@uams.edu To: talulahg...@gmail.com; joellewea...@hotmail.com CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 + Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the rules of these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do need minimums for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies when patient tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am sure no one thinks of this often however; there are medical legal issues with insurance we have that do not apply for research. It is also clear that registration does not mean we don't have registered people who are not as good as they should be
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
They are only as good as we are, so we need them to fight for us!! Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: Horn, Hazel V [mailto:hor...@archildrens.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:30 AM To: Weems, Joyce K.; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology. I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview. Pam Marcum From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Well I am mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through masters in addition to proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a lot of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants though ( and I
Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
We also need NSH to step up and do what they said they would years ago instead of planning more and more meetings per year and increasing what we pay them for not doing anything to help us. They seem to support anything ASCP/CAP/CLIA etc tells them and we are left footing the bill in more ways than monetarily. NSH in Providence is in a week and I cannot go this time so why can't those going start asking where the proposal brought up years ago hasn't moved forward. I would have been happy to bring it up from the floor in the general membership meeting. Pam Marcum - Original Message - From: Joyce K. Weems joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:39:03 AM Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT They are only as good as we are, so we need them to fight for us!! Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: Horn, Hazel V [mailto:hor...@archildrens.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:30 AM To: Weems, Joyce K.; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The Micro lab is the closest to being as
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Do you get paid more with that title? Just curious, I'm not sure what laboratory professional means, as I'm not in that kind of lab. Or is it a respect thing? Emily By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for their lives. Move forward. -Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jennifer MacDonald jmacdon...@mtsac.eduwrote: As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
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You are absolutely right. Pathologists are afraid if they are not seen as the ones doing complex testing the last bastion of their power will disappear. It would help if they just realize how much we do to help them by knowing how to read and judge whether those complex tests are done right and the correct controls in place to keep them from saying or reading the wrong thing. Many pathologists will admit they could not do our job or even understand what we do to get the tissue from a cassette to a stained slide. I think some think we wiggle our noses and it appears like magic stained on the slide. If they can't gross well, then we know where the true understanding of Histology starts. They managed to get a registry for Pathology Assistants that is quite hard to pass so they could stop grossing in many hospitals. Now we have some good and some bad PAs who are of the same opinion as the pathologists about Histologists in many cases. We have CLIA approved (based on education and number of science hours) as the cost of PA is too high in many AP labs. Pam Marcum. -Original Message- From: Horn, Hazel V [mailto:hor...@archildrens.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology. I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview. Pam Marcum From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Well I am mostly clinical...but I
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Look for a position paper presented by members of the NSH BOD in the Journal of Histotechnology after the national convention in Vancouver last year. I'm not sure of the exact issue (thought I still had it on my desk). This will explain what being a laboratory professional is and why it is so important that as histotechnologists we are viewed as such. Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC Assistant Histology Supervisor Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services 417 State Street, Suite 540 Bangor, ME 04401 cthorn...@dahlchase.com -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:58 AM Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Do you get paid more with that title? Just curious, I'm not sure what laboratory professional means, as I'm not in that kind of lab. Or is it a respect thing? Emily By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for their lives. Move forward. -Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jennifer MacDonald jmacdon...@mtsac.eduwrote: As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
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Even if a facility does not require that techs be HT registered - the technicians themselves need go that extra step, take the initiative themselves and become HT certified. If a portion of histologists don't recognize or care about the merit of certification how can we progress our profession to the status it deserves? You have to believe in yourself in order for others to follow suit. With the exclusion of the front office; NSH is a volunteer organization that fights for our profession and it can be difficult to take on the big dogs of ASCP/CAP/CLIA. I like to see this passion for our profession and if we keep this up eventually we will see results and the professional status we deserve. Jean Mitchell, BS HT (ASCP) University of Wisconsin Hospital Clinics Neuromuscular Laboratory 600 Highland Avenue Madison, WI 53792-5132 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology. I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview. Pam Marcum From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Well I am mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high
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Well said Jean. Linda A. Sebree University of Wisconsin Hospital Clinics IHC/ISH Laboratory 600 Highland Ave. Madison, WI 53792 (608)265-6596 FAX: (608)262-7174 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Jean A Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:26 AM To: 'Horn, Hazel V'; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Even if a facility does not require that techs be HT registered - the technicians themselves need go that extra step, take the initiative themselves and become HT certified. If a portion of histologists don't recognize or care about the merit of certification how can we progress our profession to the status it deserves? You have to believe in yourself in order for others to follow suit. With the exclusion of the front office; NSH is a volunteer organization that fights for our profession and it can be difficult to take on the big dogs of ASCP/CAP/CLIA. I like to see this passion for our profession and if we keep this up eventually we will see results and the professional status we deserve. Jean Mitchell, BS HT (ASCP) University of Wisconsin Hospital Clinics Neuromuscular Laboratory 600 Highland Avenue Madison, WI 53792-5132 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of
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Many states and regions are affiliated with NSH and have state societies that have annual meetings with one or two days of seminars and workshops that are reasonably priced and hopefully close enough to allow attendance. The National Society for Histotechnology has a meeting at a specified location every year that is 5 days long and covers clinical, veterinary, research and other topics in management. The meetings are listed on the NSH.org website if you are interested in looking at all available meetings for most states and regions. These are great educational opportunities for everyone whether you are a registered HT/HTL/student or researcher with special interests. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:57 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Fwd: [Histonet] Unregistered HT How do you gain credits? Do you get them for attending seminars or do you have to take actual courses? Are these the CME's I always see noted for lectures? I never knew what those were for. Emily By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for their lives. Move forward. -Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.eduwrote: Agreed and now that the registries for HT and HTL require credits to remain registered it does help with keeping people in the area learning and growing. The point that other than the front office for NSH is a well taken point and the rest are volunteers. I am not always sure the front office understands hospitals, private labs, universities etc. are not sending anyone to meetings or really encouraging further education for most lab staffs. Histology here can get registration paid for and everything else is on the person attending for transportation/room and board and all other expenses we are not able to go to meetings in far flung places. Pam Marcum ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
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We work in the veterinary medical field and 98% of our work is with swine diseases including some feed additive safety evaluations. We provide pictures of all the lesions that we see as part of the report we provide to farms. It definitely takes more of our time than it would to give a pathomorphologic description in English and Chinese but we believe in transparency even though it might expose us somehow, realizing that some things in pathology are art. We are providing service and we think the best way is to be as transparent as possible in everything that we do. Stonewalling and secrecy generally breed contempt. We try to be at our best even when we dont feel like it. It is true that our subjects have economic value only and they are expendable and the pigs are unlikely to see us in court. But I think that even in situations where there are emotions as with pets, and where there are real human concerns about quality of care for human patients, transparency and participation of all those concerned in the diagnositic and evaluative process generally creates good will and cooperation and good outcomes. On 3:59, CHRISTIE GOWAN wrote: Hi Clay, Most hospitals have a tissue committee that makes decisions about surgical specimens. These decisions become hospital policy. Most hospitals state that once a specimen is removed it essentially becomes the property of the hospital. Release of specimens is usually after it has been accessioned and grossed in for pathology reveiw. There is usually a form for that type of release. The hospital would be at risk if they let the specimen leave without following hospital policy. I am not saying it is right or wrong but I can see the logic in it. Once the specimen has been processed through the hospitals pathology department then blocks and slides can be requested for 2nd opinions. Good luck in your search for answers. Christie Gowan To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:38:10 + From: claymi...@hotmail.com Subject: [Histonet] (no subject) I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question. It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their choosing. i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc I am in Arkansas. My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital. I manage a pathology laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured. When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital staff refused to fulfill the request. We asked multiple times for a release form so my father could take his tissue with him. The administration employee we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else. My father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go. Questions: Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab they are contracted with? Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored? This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the situation for context in answering the questions. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Qdots
If anyone has had success with solving background issues with Ventana's Q-Dot labeling, would you please contact me? Thankyou, Tom Truscott ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] edge effect IHC
Hi! Can someone give me a nice description of the edge effect in IHC? Is there a common opinion about the causes? Thank you Gudrun Lang ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Peggy I am not able to attend the workshop since I am alone right now setting up the lab. Would it be possible to collect or provide some way that those interested but not able to attend, that we might be able to view or purchase the content of the workshop on starting a program following the presentation? I have been through the NAACLS process and their training in Chicago, but there is so much to know about this topic, and I would like to take advantage of the information. We definitely need more programs for histotechnology. I want to get going on being a site next year ( once the lab is up running) for programs a state or so away- and then maybe get involved with a program or getting one going after that so this information might really be valuable for me. Thanks Joelle Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: lpw...@sbcglobal.net To: pamar...@uams.edu; joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org; jmacdon...@mtsac.edu Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:01:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Just a comment on the comment about there being not enough HT/HTL programs in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have 1/10 the number of programs as med techs. If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI, Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from 8:00 am - 11:30 am. Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website http://www.histoconvention.org/ Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS -Original Message- From: Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to make the change. A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best. We have a few one year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs and HTLs. We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 years and no longer just cut and do HEs. I am not sure where to go as I have been bringing this up for years and see no movement. Take the test to be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly. It is 98% Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology. If you don't know Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:
Fwd: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
How do you gain credits? Do you get them for attending seminars or do you have to take actual courses? Are these the CME's I always see noted for lectures? I never knew what those were for. Emily By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for their lives. Move forward. -Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.eduwrote: Agreed and now that the registries for HT and HTL require credits to remain registered it does help with keeping people in the area learning and growing. The point that other than the front office for NSH is a well taken point and the rest are volunteers. I am not always sure the front office understands hospitals, private labs, universities etc. are not sending anyone to meetings or really encouraging further education for most lab staffs. Histology here can get registration paid for and everything else is on the person attending for transportation/room and board and all other expenses we are not able to go to meetings in far flung places. Pam Marcum ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Thanks for your point of view and insights Pam- we need to know what employers are seeking to keep marketable. Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: rel...@earthlink.net To: lpw...@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:09:04 -0400 Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu My 2 cents... So the real shortage in the field is ASCP HT/HTL certified techs with 2+ years of experience who are CLIA qualified to gross. Just saying... I know a great many uncertified experienced techs and even more entry level ASCP certified recent graduates of histology schools who are desperately looking for positions and willing to relocate anywhere and work any shift... Thanks-Pam Right Place, Right Time, Right Move with RELIA! Thank You! Pam M. Barker Pam Barker President/Senior Recruiting Specialist-Histology RELIA Solutions Specialists in Allied Healthcare Recruiting 5703 Red Bug Lake Road #330 Winter Springs, FL 32708-4969 Phone: (407)657-2027 Cell: (407)353-5070 FAX: (407)678-2788 E-mail: rel...@earthlink.net www.facebook.com/PamBarkerRELIA www.linkedin.com/in/reliasolutions www.twitter.com/pamatrelia -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Peggy Wenk Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:01 AM To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'JenniferMacDonald' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Just a comment on the comment about there being not enough HT/HTL programs in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have 1/10 the number of programs as med techs. If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI, Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from 8:00 am - 11:30 am. Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website http://www.histoconvention.org/ Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS -Original Message- From: Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to make the change. A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best. We have a few one year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs and HTLs. We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 years and no longer just cut and do HEs. I am not sure where to go as I have been bringing this up for years and see no movement. Take the test to be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly. It is 98% Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology. If you don't know Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet]
Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Just a comment on the comment about there being not enough HT/HTL programs in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have 1/10 the number of programs as med techs. If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI, Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from 8:00 am - 11:30 am. Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website http://www.histoconvention.org/ Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS -Original Message- From: Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to make the change. A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best. We have a few one year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs and HTLs. We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 years and no longer just cut and do HEs. I am not sure where to go as I have been bringing this up for years and see no movement. Take the test to be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly. It is 98% Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology. If you don't know Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this limbo. The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago. The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing. The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology. I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us. I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview. Pam Marcum From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Well I am mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
My 2 cents... So the real shortage in the field is ASCP HT/HTL certified techs with 2+ years of experience who are CLIA qualified to gross. Just saying... I know a great many uncertified experienced techs and even more entry level ASCP certified recent graduates of histology schools who are desperately looking for positions and willing to relocate anywhere and work any shift... Thanks-Pam Right Place, Right Time, Right Move with RELIA! Thank You! Pam M. Barker Pam Barker President/Senior Recruiting Specialist-Histology RELIA Solutions Specialists in Allied Healthcare Recruiting 5703 Red Bug Lake Road #330 Winter Springs, FL 32708-4969 Phone: (407)657-2027 Cell: (407)353-5070 FAX: (407)678-2788 E-mail: rel...@earthlink.net www.facebook.com/PamBarkerRELIA www.linkedin.com/in/reliasolutions www.twitter.com/pamatrelia -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Peggy Wenk Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:01 AM To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'JenniferMacDonald' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Just a comment on the comment about there being not enough HT/HTL programs in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have 1/10 the number of programs as med techs. If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI, Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from 8:00 am - 11:30 am. Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website http://www.histoconvention.org/ Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS -Original Message- From: Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to make the change. A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best. We have a few one year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs and HTLs. We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 years and no longer just cut and do HEs. I am not sure where to go as I have been bringing this up for years and see no movement. Take the test to be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly. It is 98% Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology. If you don't know Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:
[Histonet] DNA ploidy
Would anyone doing DNA ploidy be willing to share their protocol? It's a long time since I was involved in this and I'm sure there have been many advances Thanks Ronnie Houston, MS HT(ASCP)QIHC Anatomic Pathology Manager ChildLab, a Division of Nationwide Children's Hospital www.childlab.com 700 Children's Drive Columbus, OH 43205 (P) 614-722-5450 (F) 614-722-2899 ronald.hous...@nationwidechildrens.orgmailto:ronald.hous...@nationwidechildrens.org www.NationwideChildrens.orghttp://www.nationwidechildrens.org/ ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Agreed. Vancouver was especially difficult due to it being outside the U.S. as well as more expensive than most other sites. The fact that the meeting crossed from Sept. into Oct. was impossible for most government employees who have a fiscal year ending Sept. This would have required 2 sets of travel vouchers, etc. and if a Continuing Resolution was not reached on Sept. 30 I would have been flown back immediately. I remember being told many years ago that NSH was scheduling the meetings in smaller host towns to contain costs. I love that idea so I hope we can keep on that track. Vancouver was the first meeting I missed in several years. Jeanine H. Sanders Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Infectious Diseases Pathology Branch 404-639-3590 j...@cdc.gov -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:46 AM To: 'Mitchell Jean A'; Horn, Hazel V; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Agreed and now that the registries for HT and HTL require credits to remain registered it does help with keeping people in the area learning and growing. The point that other than the front office for NSH is a well taken point and the rest are volunteers. I am not always sure the front office understands hospitals, private labs, universities etc. are not sending anyone to meetings or really encouraging further education for most lab staffs. Histology here can get registration paid for and everything else is on the person attending for transportation/room and board and all other expenses we are not able to go to meetings in far flung places. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: Mitchell Jean A [mailto:jmitch...@uwhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:26 AM To: Horn, Hazel V; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Even if a facility does not require that techs be HT registered - the technicians themselves need go that extra step, take the initiative themselves and become HT certified. If a portion of histologists don't recognize or care about the merit of certification how can we progress our profession to the status it deserves? You have to believe in yourself in order for others to follow suit. With the exclusion of the front office; NSH is a volunteer organization that fights for our profession and it can be difficult to take on the big dogs of ASCP/CAP/CLIA. I like to see this passion for our profession and if we keep this up eventually we will see results and the professional status we deserve. Jean Mitchell, BS HT (ASCP) University of Wisconsin Hospital Clinics Neuromuscular Laboratory 600 Highland Avenue Madison, WI 53792-5132 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Agreed and now that the registries for HT and HTL require credits to remain registered it does help with keeping people in the area learning and growing. The point that other than the front office for NSH is a well taken point and the rest are volunteers. I am not always sure the front office understands hospitals, private labs, universities etc. are not sending anyone to meetings or really encouraging further education for most lab staffs. Histology here can get registration paid for and everything else is on the person attending for transportation/room and board and all other expenses we are not able to go to meetings in far flung places. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: Mitchell Jean A [mailto:jmitch...@uwhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:26 AM To: Horn, Hazel V; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Even if a facility does not require that techs be HT registered - the technicians themselves need go that extra step, take the initiative themselves and become HT certified. If a portion of histologists don't recognize or care about the merit of certification how can we progress our profession to the status it deserves? You have to believe in yourself in order for others to follow suit. With the exclusion of the front office; NSH is a volunteer organization that fights for our profession and it can be difficult to take on the big dogs of ASCP/CAP/CLIA. I like to see this passion for our profession and if we keep this up eventually we will see results and the professional status we deserve. Jean Mitchell, BS HT (ASCP) University of Wisconsin Hospital Clinics Neuromuscular Laboratory 600 Highland Avenue Madison, WI 53792-5132 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/10/2013 01:12 PM Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as they could be for what we are facing in Histology. I keep harping on the fact
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
This is precisely why I stopped giving NSH my money. When they start to earn it, I will reinstate my membership. I suppose they could argue that they can't do it without my money - they had 25 years of my membership - and all I got was a discount to meetings my institution can't afford to send me to and, I will admit, a decent magazine.. Now if I could just withhold taxes until the Government starts doing what we elected it to do... WAy off topic- Bill -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Pam Marcum Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:46 AM To: Joyce K. Weems Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT We also need NSH to step up and do what they said they would years ago instead of planning more and more meetings per year and increasing what we pay them for not doing anything to help us. They seem to support anything ASCP/CAP/CLIA etc tells them and we are left footing the bill in more ways than monetarily. NSH in Providence is in a week and I cannot go this time so why can't those going start asking where the proposal brought up years ago hasn't moved forward. I would have been happy to bring it up from the floor in the general membership meeting. Pam Marcum - Original Message - From: Joyce K. Weems joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:39:03 AM Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT They are only as good as we are, so we need them to fight for us!! Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: Horn, Hazel V [mailto:hor...@archildrens.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:30 AM To: Weems, Joyce K.; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. Joyce Weems Pathology Manager 678-843-7376 Phone 678-843-7831 Fax joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road Atlanta, GA 30342 This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Saint Joseph's Hospital and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. From: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu To: 'joelle weaver' joellewea...@hotmail.com, 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
RE: [Histonet] (no subject)
Hospital By-Laws established by the Medical Staff and Administration may prevent tissue obtained within the hospital from going outside to another laboratory. Richard Richard W. Cartun, MS, PhD Director, Histology Immunopathology Director, Biospecimen Collection Programs Assistant Director, Anatomic Pathology Hartford Hospital 80 Seymour Street Hartford, CT 06102 (860) 545-1596 Office (860) 545-2204 Fax richard.car...@hhchealth.org From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] on behalf of clay milks [claymi...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:38 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] (no subject) I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question. It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their choosing. i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc I am in Arkansas. My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital. I manage a pathology laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured. When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital staff refused to fulfill the request. We asked multiple times for a release form so my father could take his tissue with him. The administration employee we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else. My father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go. Questions: Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab they are contracted with? Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored? This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the situation for context in answering the questions. This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message, including any attachments. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Qdots
Please share the info? We're just beginning to use Qdots-but haven't yet on the Discovery, so it would be nice to have a heads-up about any issues others are having! Thank you! _Sally Sally Ann Drew,MT(ASCP) Dept. of Pathology TRIP Lab Manager CSC, K4/435 608.265.4378 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Truscott, Tom Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:21 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] Qdots If anyone has had success with solving background issues with Ventana's Q-Dot labeling, would you please contact me? Thankyou, Tom Truscott ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Well said, Tim. Hazel Horn Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas Children's Hospital 1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax hor...@archildrens.org archildrens.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:54 AM To: Histonet Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT This discussion comes up every year and, of course is never resolved to our satisfaction because histotechs really have only a little say in it. Personally I think labs are better off with certified techs. Uncertified techs should start as lab assistants and earn their certification before getting a histotech title. The histotech title should be for someone who at least starts as a general histotech who can do the gamut of histology work - embedding, cutting, HE, specials and IHC/ISH. From that base they can branch out or specialize. It would be a dream to require formal schooling, as with med techs, but there are so few schools that it is just impractical. A certification is a baseline that shows a person who is OJT has learned the minimum required to understand histotechnology. However, because we don't report out any results on our own authority there is no impetus for a pathologist or institution to make the position more than it is: a technical position that does do require fancy work, but in the end only provides the materials for someone else to use for interpretation, decisions and reporting. We don't even pick the sample, the test or even determine how to do the test - that is all determined by the Technical Director of the lab, usually a board certified pathologist. Our primary job is to provide good quality materials so they can do their job well. That does involved a lot of knowledge, organization and skill, but it is not at the level of making actual patient care decisions. Pathologists Assistants get a bit more respect because they are required to make judgment decisions on how to sample a particular case. Even then, that sampling is strictly detailed in procedures developed by pathologists. The most we could ask for is licensing that requires certain qualifications to be a histotech. However, that has some drawbacks as well, namely the restriction of the profession to licensed people, and so is a barrier to entry. Would it lead to pay raises? Does anyone have studies showing pay before and after licesure requirements? It is questionable whether it enhances the quality of the lab since most histotechs are OJT anyway, and simple licensure may not increase actual quality of work by an individual. (does anyone know of any studies that look at quality in states with and without licensing?). The CLIA requirements at least set a baseline for education, if not actual certification. Asking pathologists to support universal certification and/or licensure is problematic - many independent labs won't support that because, as in licensure, it decreases the pool and increases costs (ie, pay). Since the pathologist is the person deemed responsible for quality and lab results, setting the bar higher is only in the interests of the technologists, not the pathologist. Now, some enlightened pathologists understand that better-educated and better-trained techs are good for the overall. So in the end the histotech community, along with a few enlightened pathologists have to lobby for anything they want. But what is that? Increased pay? More say in lab operations? My experience is that you can rise as high as you want if you take opportunities that come up. But that may mean either spending many years in one place slowly moving up, or moving around to take other opportunities. It will depend on the individual. In either case using your time in the lab to learn whatever there is to learn, even in other departments, or on various committees, pays off in the long run. And that includes management. The last thing you should do is limit yourself to a job description someone gives you. Take that as the base line, not the limit. Tim Morken Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:30 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result
RE: [Histonet] edge effect IHC
I've seen edge effect in two instances: 1) Fixation artifact: the tissue is differentially fixed so the edge is fixed more than the center. That makes staining different on the edge vs the center. This occurs when a piece is fixed whole, not sliced. Or could be a thick piece of tissue that does not get fully fixed in the center. The staining will be best in the area that has the proper fixation - and that could be the edge or the interior, or there may be a gradient of staining toward the interior and the proper staining will be seen somewhere on the gradient. 2) Drying artifact: liquid applied to the slide dries around the edges of the tissue so the outside edge is dry, or almost dry, and the center is still wet. Usually in this case the outside edge will have a lot of background, the interior will often be properly stained. The edge could be differentially moist or dry, so the staining or background is inconsistent in the tissue. Tim Morken Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Gudrun Lang Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:19 AM To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] edge effect IHC Hi! Can someone give me a nice description of the edge effect in IHC? Is there a common opinion about the causes? Thank you Gudrun Lang ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Re: edge effect IHC
Sometimes edges of tissues can get more stain due to disruption of edge's cells more than center during the antigen retrieval. But this is not false positivity. It must pay attention to this situation On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Teri Johnson tjohn...@gnf.org wrote: Ditto to what Tim said (as usual!) What is often referred to as edge artifact is sometimes excellent staining due to the edges fixed early and well, and the interior of the tissue poorly penetrated and not as well fixed. You can usually tell because the staining pattern is correct and well demarcated, and easily distinguishable from the type seen in drying artifact. Teri Johnson Manager, Histology Genomics Institute for Novartis Research Foundation San Diego, CA 858-332-4752 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Mehmet Fatih BOZKURT, DVM, PhD Afyon Kocatepe University Faculty of Veterinary Medicine Department of Pathology 03030, ANS Campus Afyonkarahisar-TURKEY Tel: +902722281312-16173/16237 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Re: edge effect IHC
Ditto to what Tim said (as usual!) What is often referred to as edge artifact is sometimes excellent staining due to the edges fixed early and well, and the interior of the tissue poorly penetrated and not as well fixed. You can usually tell because the staining pattern is correct and well demarcated, and easily distinguishable from the type seen in drying artifact. Teri Johnson Manager, Histology Genomics Institute for Novartis Research Foundation San Diego, CA 858-332-4752 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Tim Well said -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:54 AM To: Histonet Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT This discussion comes up every year and, of course is never resolved to our satisfaction because histotechs really have only a little say in it. Personally I think labs are better off with certified techs. Uncertified techs should start as lab assistants and earn their certification before getting a histotech title. The histotech title should be for someone who at least starts as a general histotech who can do the gamut of histology work - embedding, cutting, HE, specials and IHC/ISH. From that base they can branch out or specialize. It would be a dream to require formal schooling, as with med techs, but there are so few schools that it is just impractical. A certification is a baseline that shows a person who is OJT has learned the minimum required to understand histotechnology. However, because we don't report out any results on our own authority there is no impetus for a pathologist or institution to make the position more than it is: a technical position that does do require fancy work, but in the end only provides the materials for someone else to use for interpretation, decisions and reporting. We don't even pick the sample, the test or even determine how to do the test - that is all determined by the Technical Director of the lab, usually a board certified pathologist. Our primary job is to provide good quality materials so they can do their job well. That does involved a lot of knowledge, organization and skill, but it is not at the level of making actual patient care decisions. Pathologists Assistants get a bit more respect because they are required to make judgment decisions on how to sample a particular case. Even then, that sampling is strictly detailed in procedures developed by pathologists. The most we could ask for is licensing that requires certain qualifications to be a histotech. However, that has some drawbacks as well, namely the restriction of the profession to licensed people, and so is a barrier to entry. Would it lead to pay raises? Does anyone have studies showing pay before and after licesure requirements? It is questionable whether it enhances the quality of the lab since most histotechs are OJT anyway, and simple licensure may not increase actual quality of work by an individual. (does anyone know of any studies that look at quality in states with and without licensing?). The CLIA requirements at least set a baseline for education, if not actual certification. Asking pathologists to support universal certification and/or licensure is problematic - many independent labs won't support that because, as in licensure, it decreases the pool and increases costs (ie, pay). Since the pathologist is the person deemed responsible for quality and lab results, setting the bar higher is only in the interests of the technologists, not the pathologist. Now, some enlightened pathologists understand that better-educated and better-trained techs are good for the overall. So in the end the histotech community, along with a few enlightened pathologists have to lobby for anything they want. But what is that? Increased pay? More say in lab operations? My experience is that you can rise as high as you want if you take opportunities that come up. But that may mean either spending many years in one place slowly moving up, or moving around to take other opportunities. It will depend on the individual. In either case using your time in the lab to learn whatever there is to learn, even in other departments, or on various committees, pays off in the long run. And that includes management. The last thing you should do is limit yourself to a job description someone gives you. Take that as the base line, not the limit. Tim Morken Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:30 AM To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do not report results. All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the pathologists report the results. CLIA standards are based on result reporting. The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists would hire unregistered techs. If pathologists would demand only registered techs half our battle would be won. Hazel Horn Supervisor of
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
I don't think that histotechs are disrespected at all. There is always going to be that one person in any job that thinks they are better than you because of whatever reason. HTs are not the highest paid people in the lab (or the lowest for that matter), and I think a lot of times people in management, PhD, or MD positions see us in a light that mirrors our salaries. The fact of the matter is these days you have to basically have a college degree to become a HT, and hopefully as the old-timers who didn't have to have a degree retire out of the field we will be paid more according to the education that a lot of us paid so much money to obtain. I still hold firm to the belief that you get what you give. If you act like someone who should be disrespected you will be. If you suggest new ideas for improvement, go over and beyond your pay grade, then eventually you will be paid for that financially and with respect. If I couldn't live like that I think that would be a very difficult and frustrating way to live every day. Therefore, I choose to have a good attitude about being away from my family everyday (because I have to have a job), and do the best I can to make others have a reason to respect me. Just my two cents...I will step down from my soapbox now =) Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna Therapeutics 2150 Woodward Street Suite 100 Austin, Texas 78744 (512)901-0900 ext. 6912 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Blazek, Linda Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:15 PM To: Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Wow René, I didn't realize you had such a demeaning and disrespected career. I have been in this profession for almost 40 years. I have worked for some of the greatest pathologists you could ask for. They have respected me, asked my opinions and shared a great deal of time at the microscope with me. Maybe it has to do with attitude.. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM To: Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT The issue remains the WE cannot impose on others how we are viewed. No matter how many brain storming meetings there are about demanding respect the issue remains that those who have to respect us have to do so. Short of a national strike (absolutely impossible to achieve) or a national union (that will be fought to the death) the only thing we can do is to stand for our rights of being treated as professionals every time somebody, either pathologist or administrator, disrespects us. And who, may I ask, will be able to do that in an economic situation as the present one? Who is going to risk his or her job just to demand respect? That is an illusion. Unfortunately the economic situation impedes any action and those who can will keep disrespecting us as long as they can get away with it. Having a good position statement about what does it mean to be a professional is an exercise in futility that probably for those who wrote it may have meant being able to have 1 or 2 days paid without actual work to do. René J. From: Clare Thornton cthorn...@dahlchase.com To: Clare Thornton cthorn...@dahlchase.com; 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:20 PM Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT My apologies, the editorial was in the September 2011 issue of Journal of Histotechnology. I have a pdf of it, will be happy to email. Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC Assistant Histology Supervisor Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services 417 State Street, Suite 540 Bangor, ME 04401 cthorn...@dahlchase.com -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Clare Thornton Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20 AM To: 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Look for a position paper presented by members of the NSH BOD in the Journal of Histotechnology after the national convention in Vancouver last year. I'm not sure of the exact issue (thought I still had it on my desk). This will explain what being a laboratory professional is and why it is so important that as histotechnologists we are viewed as such. Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC Assistant Histology Supervisor Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services 417 State Street, Suite 540 Bangor, ME 04401 cthorn...@dahlchase.com -Original Message- From:
[Histonet] RE: Validation Sign off
Laure, You also need to have a policy that states what areas the CLIA Director is allowing a designee to represent. Donna Willis, HT/HTL (ASCP) Anatomic Pathology Manager Baylor University Medical Center-Dallas ph. 214-820-2465 office ph. 214-725-6184 mobile donna.wil...@baylorhealth.edu -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:09 PM To: Laurie Colbert; Histonet Post (histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu) Subject: [Histonet] RE: Validation Sign off Laurie, it can be a designee, but that should be detailed in your validation procedure so it is clear the designee is acting for the Technical Director. Tim Morken Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Laurie Colbert Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:46 AM To: Histonet Post (histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu) Subject: [Histonet] Validation Sign off When validating IHC antibodies and detection kits (either initially or with new lots), does a pathologist have to sign off on the validation , or can it be his/her designee (such as a PhD) that signs off? The pathologist will be signing the IHC procedures. Laurie Colbert, HT (ASCP) ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ** This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed. If you are the intended recipient, further disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden and possibly a violation of federal or state law and regulations. Baylor Health Care System, its subsidiaries, and affiliates hereby claim all applicable privileges related to this information. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Seriously, I can go home?! I'm going to tell my boss that Sarah Dysart said I could go home. When she asks who that is, I'll just look at her and repeat your name. Slowly. And walk away. Emily By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for their lives. Move forward. -Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Sarah Dysart sdys...@mirnarx.com wrote: I hope everyone has a great rest of your day, and some people I think need to go home and have a drink =) Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna Therapeutics 2150 Woodward Street Suite 100 Austin, Texas 78744 (512)901-0900 ext. 6912 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
AW: [Histonet] Re: edge effect IHC
Thank you for your kind responses. Are there any circumstances when an edge-effect could be misinterpreted as a specific nuclear staining like ER-IHC? =false positive staining Gudrun -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] Im Auftrag von Mehmet Fatih BOZKURT Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. September 2013 19:05 An: Teri Johnson; Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Betreff: Re: [Histonet] Re: edge effect IHC Sometimes edges of tissues can get more stain due to disruption of edge's cells more than center during the antigen retrieval. But this is not false positivity. It must pay attention to this situation On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Teri Johnson tjohn...@gnf.org wrote: Ditto to what Tim said (as usual!) What is often referred to as edge artifact is sometimes excellent staining due to the edges fixed early and well, and the interior of the tissue poorly penetrated and not as well fixed. You can usually tell because the staining pattern is correct and well demarcated, and easily distinguishable from the type seen in drying artifact. Teri Johnson Manager, Histology Genomics Institute for Novartis Research Foundation San Diego, CA 858-332-4752 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Mehmet Fatih BOZKURT, DVM, PhD Afyon Kocatepe University Faculty of Veterinary Medicine Department of Pathology 03030, ANS Campus Afyonkarahisar-TURKEY Tel: +902722281312-16173/16237 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
So as not to have my inbox completely filled with emails... None of the below statements was meant in any way as disrespectful to ANYONE! 1. Old timers. Just a term I have heard used by people who have been in the field for a long time. I've been doing histology since 1999...I do not consider myself one of these yet. 2. A degree. I am not saying that all old timers are without a degree or any post HS education. Correct, many non-degreed workers are better than a degreed one. I just think someone with a college degree should be paid accordingly. If they are horrible at their job...they will probably be fired. If you didn't finish your degree and still want to...go do it. 3. Chill out people...it's Wednesday...sheesh... Some of the emails I have got offline completely demonstrate my point...give respect and you will be respected. If you send me a tacky email...I'm probably going to be tacky right back to you... 4. These were all just my opinions...take it or leave it. I hope everyone has a great rest of your day, and some people I think need to go home and have a drink =) Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna Therapeutics 2150 Woodward Street Suite 100 Austin, Texas 78744 (512)901-0900 ext. 6912 -Original Message- From: Marcum, Pamela A [mailto:pamar...@uams.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:57 PM To: Sarah Dysart; Blazek, Linda; Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sorry Sarah some of us old timers do have BS and even MS degrees and still have to fight for every dime. The whole field needs to be improved without any thought of how long someone has been in Histology. We have the issue of people who have HTs being called HTLs due to the way the two registries were created. In the early 1980s the only thing you could get was the HT registry no matter how much education you had worked to get. Then we got the HTL for management skills as it was stated and for several years HTs could grandfather in with no additional education above HS. Then in about 1984 the HTL started to require the education level of BS. Unfortunately, since the two registries were to some extend mixed by the overlap of needing or not needing a degree the whole field is confused about who is what. I have been called a histologist before I took my HT (with a BS) and HTL although I did not bother to grandfather in. Yet I am called both and really don't care which I am called as long as I am respected. An MS made no difference either way. The real issue is most administration people and HR Departments don't know the difference between an HT and HTL and have no idea what to do. I have seen HTs with a HS call themselves HTLs and no one knew the difference at the administration/HR levels. (Some of those older people who started and may not even have a HS degree yet; are among the best histologist I have seen in 50 years. Some with BS and/or MS degrees were terrible. Some MTs came over with CP pay and could be great or awful.) Education is not answer. The issue is straightening out who we are and what we do as either registry area. Here we had a salary survey and found most of the employers just paid the same for everything to avoid the issue or due to total misunderstanding of their even being a difference. Now everyone is the same. No one knew how to solve it to everyone's satisfaction and the histologist were not asked. If you can say you have a BS you may get paid a little higher and only have an HT and be called an HTL. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah Dysart Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM To: Blazek, Linda; Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT I don't think that histotechs are disrespected at all. There is always going to be that one person in any job that thinks they are better than you because of whatever reason. HTs are not the highest paid people in the lab (or the lowest for that matter), and I think a lot of times people in management, PhD, or MD positions see us in a light that mirrors our salaries. The fact of the matter is these days you have to basically have a college degree to become a HT, and hopefully as the old-timers who didn't have to have a degree retire out of the field we will be paid more according to the education that a lot of us paid so much money to obtain. I still hold firm to the belief that you get what you give. If you act like someone who should be disrespected you will be. If you suggest new ideas for improvement, go over and beyond your pay grade, then eventually you will be paid for that financially and with respect. If I couldn't live like that I think that
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Wow René, I didn't realize you had such a demeaning and disrespected career. I have been in this profession for almost 40 years. I have worked for some of the greatest pathologists you could ask for. They have respected me, asked my opinions and shared a great deal of time at the microscope with me. Maybe it has to do with attitude.. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM To: Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT The issue remains the WE cannot impose on others how we are viewed. No matter how many brain storming meetings there are about demanding respect the issue remains that those who have to respect us have to do so. Short of a national strike (absolutely impossible to achieve) or a national union (that will be fought to the death) the only thing we can do is to stand for our rights of being treated as professionals every time somebody, either pathologist or administrator, disrespects us. And who, may I ask, will be able to do that in an economic situation as the present one? Who is going to risk his or her job just to demand respect? That is an illusion. Unfortunately the economic situation impedes any action and those who can will keep disrespecting us as long as they can get away with it. Having a good position statement about what does it mean to be a professional is an exercise in futility that probably for those who wrote it may have meant being able to have 1 or 2 days paid without actual work to do. René J. From: Clare Thornton cthorn...@dahlchase.com To: Clare Thornton cthorn...@dahlchase.com; 'Emily Sours' talulahg...@gmail.com Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:20 PM Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT My apologies, the editorial was in the September 2011 issue of Journal of Histotechnology. I have a pdf of it, will be happy to email. Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC Assistant Histology Supervisor Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services 417 State Street, Suite 540 Bangor, ME 04401 cthorn...@dahlchase.com -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Clare Thornton Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20 AM To: 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Look for a position paper presented by members of the NSH BOD in the Journal of Histotechnology after the national convention in Vancouver last year. I'm not sure of the exact issue (thought I still had it on my desk). This will explain what being a laboratory professional is and why it is so important that as histotechnologists we are viewed as such. Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC Assistant Histology Supervisor Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services 417 State Street, Suite 540 Bangor, ME 04401 cthorn...@dahlchase.com -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:58 AM Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Do you get paid more with that title? Just curious, I'm not sure what laboratory professional means, as I'm not in that kind of lab. Or is it a respect thing? Emily By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for their lives. Move forward. -Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jennifer MacDonald jmacdon...@mtsac.eduwrote: As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] RE: Validation Sign off
Laurie, it can be a designee, but that should be detailed in your validation procedure so it is clear the designee is acting for the Technical Director. Tim Morken Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Laurie Colbert Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:46 AM To: Histonet Post (histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu) Subject: [Histonet] Validation Sign off When validating IHC antibodies and detection kits (either initially or with new lots), does a pathologist have to sign off on the validation , or can it be his/her designee (such as a PhD) that signs off? The pathologist will be signing the IHC procedures. Laurie Colbert, HT (ASCP) ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Field Histology Specialist - West Coast
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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sorry Sarah some of us old timers do have BS and even MS degrees and still have to fight for every dime. The whole field needs to be improved without any thought of how long someone has been in Histology. We have the issue of people who have HTs being called HTLs due to the way the two registries were created. In the early 1980s the only thing you could get was the HT registry no matter how much education you had worked to get. Then we got the HTL for management skills as it was stated and for several years HTs could grandfather in with no additional education above HS. Then in about 1984 the HTL started to require the education level of BS. Unfortunately, since the two registries were to some extend mixed by the overlap of needing or not needing a degree the whole field is confused about who is what. I have been called a histologist before I took my HT (with a BS) and HTL although I did not bother to grandfather in. Yet I am called both and really don't care which I am called as long as I am respected. An MS made no difference either way. The real issue is most administration people and HR Departments don't know the difference between an HT and HTL and have no idea what to do. I have seen HTs with a HS call themselves HTLs and no one knew the difference at the administration/HR levels. (Some of those older people who started and may not even have a HS degree yet; are among the best histologist I have seen in 50 years. Some with BS and/or MS degrees were terrible. Some MTs came over with CP pay and could be great or awful.) Education is not answer. The issue is straightening out who we are and what we do as either registry area. Here we had a salary survey and found most of the employers just paid the same for everything to avoid the issue or due to total misunderstanding of their even being a difference. Now everyone is the same. No one knew how to solve it to everyone's satisfaction and the histologist were not asked. If you can say you have a BS you may get paid a little higher and only have an HT and be called an HTL. Pam Marcum -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah Dysart Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM To: Blazek, Linda; Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT I don't think that histotechs are disrespected at all. There is always going to be that one person in any job that thinks they are better than you because of whatever reason. HTs are not the highest paid people in the lab (or the lowest for that matter), and I think a lot of times people in management, PhD, or MD positions see us in a light that mirrors our salaries. The fact of the matter is these days you have to basically have a college degree to become a HT, and hopefully as the old-timers who didn't have to have a degree retire out of the field we will be paid more according to the education that a lot of us paid so much money to obtain. I still hold firm to the belief that you get what you give. If you act like someone who should be disrespected you will be. If you suggest new ideas for improvement, go over and beyond your pay grade, then eventually you will be paid for that financially and with respect. If I couldn't live like that I think that would be a very difficult and frustrating way to live every day. Therefore, I choose to have a good attitude about being away from my family everyday (because I have to have a job), and do the best I can to make others have a reason to respect me. Just my two cents...I will step down from my soapbox now =) Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna Therapeutics 2150 Woodward Street Suite 100 Austin, Texas 78744 (512)901-0900 ext. 6912 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Blazek, Linda Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:15 PM To: Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Wow René, I didn't realize you had such a demeaning and disrespected career. I have been in this profession for almost 40 years. I have worked for some of the greatest pathologists you could ask for. They have respected me, asked my opinions and shared a great deal of time at the microscope with me. Maybe it has to do with attitude.. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM To: Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours' Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT The issue remains the WE cannot impose on others how we are viewed. No matter how many
[Histonet] Validation Sign off
When validating IHC antibodies and detection kits (either initially or with new lots), does a pathologist have to sign off on the validation , or can it be his/her designee (such as a PhD) that signs off? The pathologist will be signing the IHC procedures. Laurie Colbert, HT (ASCP) ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Validation Sign off
“Based on FDA’s ruling on class reagents in IHC, the legal responsibility for validation and knowing the relevant parameters is put squarely on the shoulders of the lab director.” True, the legal responsibility rests with the lab director.. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4 Original message From: Laurie Colbert lcolb...@pathmdlabs.com Date: 09/11/2013 10:45 AM (GMT-07:00) To: Histonet Post (histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu) histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] Validation Sign off When validating IHC antibodies and detection kits (either initially or with new lots), does a pathologist have to sign off on the validation , or can it be his/her designee (such as a PhD) that signs off? The pathologist will be signing the IHC procedures. Laurie Colbert, HT (ASCP) ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Oil red O
Dear Rene, Jennifer and others my question is as Jennifer MacDonald suggested I may agree that the question is irrelevant but the question was rased and I have no clue. Regards Piet visser Van: Rene J Buesa [mailto:rjbu...@yahoo.com] Verzonden: maandag 9 september 2013 21:59 Aan: Jennifer MacDonald CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; P.E. Visser Onderwerp: Re: [Histonet] Oil red O It is for Sudan Red 5B. All these apothecary names are essentially meaningless René J. From: Jennifer MacDonald mailto:jmacdon...@mtsac.edu jmacdon...@mtsac.edu To: Cc: mailto:histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu mailto:histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; P.E. Visser mailto:p...@xs4all.nl p...@xs4all.nl Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Histonet] Oil red O I believe the question is what is the O signify. as in OG6 the O is for orange. From: Rene J Buesa rjbu...@yahoo.com To:P.E. Visser p...@xs4all.nl, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 09/09/2013 12:46 PM Subject:Re: [Histonet] Oil red O Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Do you mean that you were asked to do Oil Red O (ORO) stain? It is described in any technology book. I piece of advise: stain the nuclei with hametoxyline first and after that stain with ORO René J. From: P.E. Visser p...@xs4all.nl To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 3:40 PM Subject: [Histonet] Oil red O Hi all I was requested where the O stands for. who has any suggestion. Regards Piet Visser Histotech Bronovo The Netherlands ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Re: Unregistered HT
At the risk of dipping my toe in to this pool, I have just a few thoughts on the matter. I will not really touch on any prior points as I think they have already had enough discussion. My comments are merely things I think about, and hopefully it broadens how people look at this issue instead of running in circles like we seem to be doing. 1 - I think what will eventually drive the HT classification into a professional category is the upcoming shortage of techs in the workforce. Either the companies better get really busy and come up with some fantastic automation that can replace this aging workforce (of which I am one), or there won't be any bodies sitting at the microtomes, cryostats, embedding centers, and stainers. There are a bunch of BS-biology degreed people out there looking for work and direction. And not all of them can or want to get into Medical school. They are smart, very technologically savvy, and will likely completely change the landscape of the workforce as we know it. 2 - Any move to becoming degreed or certified professionals should mimic the European (and other) model of Laboratory Scientist. I have said before that there is such a strong line dividing MT(ASCP) and HT/HTL(ASCP) in the US, maybe it would be a step in the right direction for us to think about consolidating our science with Medical Technology. We have Chemistry, Hematology, Blood Bank, Microbiology, etc as specialties, why not Histotechnology? Interestingly, most Med Techs I know who have done histology really didn't like it much. So I don't think we have to worry about losing our place in the lab. Do I think we will go in this direction? Probably not. I think that ship has sailed. But we would be remiss not to at least consider it as an option. 3 - Opportunity looks a lot like hard work. - Ashton Kutcher *donning my special humpday flame retardant suit* Teri Johnson Manager, Histology Genomics Institute for Novartis Research Foundation San Diego, CA 858-332-4752 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Help
Get me off your mailing list. I have tried and keep getting these things. Over and over you repeat the same questions and answers , over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over. Do you get the message? Do you get the message? Do you get the message? Get me off your mailing list Get me off your mailing list Today I received four different email tirades from you. Please get me off your mailing list. I am to the point of reporting it as spam. njmcvay...@gmail.com ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Help
Googling 'unsubscribe histonet' points me to this link: http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet If you scroll to the bottom of the page you will find a box where you can type your e-mail address to unsubscribe or edit options. Have you tried that? Cheers. -- Virginia Bain Postdoctoral Fellow Richie Lab 512-237-6443 On 9/11/13 5:38 PM, nancy mcvay njmcvay...@gmail.com wrote: Get me off your mailing list. I have tried and keep getting these things. Over and over you repeat the same questions and answers , over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over. Do you get the message? Do you get the message? Do you get the message? Get me off your mailing list Get me off your mailing list Today I received four different email tirades from you. Please get me off your mailing list. I am to the point of reporting it as spam. njmcvay...@gmail.com ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Cytotech Per Diem Position in Rancho Mirage, CA
I just wanted to share that I have a per diem Cytotech position available. If interested, please visit www.emc.org. Eisenhower Medical Center located in Rancho Mirage, CA is a fantastic place to work. The beautiful winters and lush community atmosphere is most desirable. The Cytology team is a close-knit team with wonderful peer relations. Most important, the non-gyn cases are extremely interesting! Thank you all for your interest and I hope to receive many applications. Warm regards, Mari Mari Yang, MHA, CT(ASCP)CMHTLCM Cytology Supervisor Eisenhower Medical Center Tel: 760.773.2009 P Save a tree, please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Confidentiality Note: The preceding e-mail message (including any attachments) contains information that may be confidential, protected by applicable legal privileges, or constitute non-public information. It is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Equipment selection
I think all of these you listed are solid instruments. I am building a lab now, so recently had to pick instruments myself and would have liked to have had these options! From your list I would personally pick the Prisma and Bond Max , just on my personal experiences. I have a Leica ST5020 now, and while it is a good stainer, I hate the clips with the older model I have. Consider if you will use glass or tape coverslipping, the multi-stainer glass coverslipper that goes with it is high maintenance, though it works fine when it works. I personally think the Prisma is great, has super throughput, nice staining. But used to only have tape coverslipping, but may have glass coverslips availible now-if that is a requirement of your pathologists. So check into that. The need for a very open IHC platform ( considering if you do research v. clinical, use mostly concentrated v. prediluted antibodies, the training level of the staff, and your throughput needs as considerations; for example) may help in your choice. The DAKO is awesome , but check whether it still needs more off line pretreatment steps. This adds to the tech time, which might matter considering your staffing and volumes. The staining is fantastic if you can work with it and have staffing and your volumes are managable. The Bond does all steps in automated runs, if you wish; I personally consider it middle ground in terms of open-ness somewhere between Ventana and Dako autostainer of years ago. The Bond is a super instrument in my opinion for the right lab situation. I use one now, and it works for me ( I do RTU and a fair number of concentrates) and a good number if ISH probes, and do all the tech work myself. I value the fast TAT with consistent staining-it does the job I need it to do. Good luck Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: haley.hugg...@dignityhealth.org To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:46:00 -0700 Subject: [Histonet] Equipment selection Hi all, I am trying to decide on what equipment to purchase. I have picked the processor, microtomes, embedding centers and a few other pieces, but now I still need to decide on the HE Stainer and the immunostainer. My options I have in front of me are for the HE stainer are Sakura Prisma stainer/film coverslipper and the Leica ST5020-CV5030 stainer/glass coverslipper. For the Immunostainer, I am looking at the Dako Autostainer and the Leica Bond Max. Any advice on any of these instruments would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to finalize my decision pretty quickly. Thank you in advance for any input. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Do it! For all of us! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:24 PM Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Seriously, I can go home?! I'm going to tell my boss that Sarah Dysart said I could go home. When she asks who that is, I'll just look at her and repeat your name. Slowly. And walk away. Emily By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for their lives. Move forward. -Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Sarah Dysart sdys...@mirnarx.com wrote: I hope everyone has a great rest of your day, and some people I think need to go home and have a drink =) Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna Therapeutics 2150 Woodward Street Suite 100 Austin, Texas 78744 (512)901-0900 ext. 6912 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Help
lol On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Bain,Virginia veb...@mdanderson.orgwrote: Googling 'unsubscribe histonet' points me to this link: http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet If you scroll to the bottom of the page you will find a box where you can type your e-mail address to unsubscribe or edit options. Have you tried that? Cheers. -- Virginia Bain Postdoctoral Fellow Richie Lab 512-237-6443 On 9/11/13 5:38 PM, nancy mcvay njmcvay...@gmail.com wrote: Get me off your mailing list. I have tried and keep getting these things. Over and over you repeat the same questions and answers , over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over. Do you get the message? Do you get the message? Do you get the message? Get me off your mailing list Get me off your mailing list Today I received four different email tirades from you. Please get me off your mailing list. I am to the point of reporting it as spam. njmcvay...@gmail.com ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
We may not be considered laboratory professionals, but we might just have more fun than they do ? From: j...@cdc.gov To: talulahg...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:43:48 + Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Do it! For all of us! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:24 PM Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Seriously, I can go home?! I'm going to tell my boss that Sarah Dysart said I could go home. When she asks who that is, I'll just look at her and repeat your name. Slowly. And walk away. Emily By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for their lives. Move forward. -Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Sarah Dysart sdys...@mirnarx.com wrote: I hope everyone has a great rest of your day, and some people I think need to go home and have a drink =) Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna Therapeutics 2150 Woodward Street Suite 100 Austin, Texas 78744 (512)901-0900 ext. 6912 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Histology Lab Plan
Hi, Please I will appreciate it if you guys could share your histology lab plan with me especially the lean type. We are in the process of building a new lean histology lab and all new suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Adesupo. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
