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>WORLD EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH IBN-UL-KHATTAB,
>MILITARY COMMANDER OF THE MUJAHIDEEN IN THE CAUCASUS.
>MONDAY 27 SEPTEMBER 1999.
>
>Distributed by: Azzam Publications, the source of
>authentic news and information about Jihad and the
>Foreign Mujahideen, everywhere.
>
>1) What is the accurate number of casualties on both
>the Russian side and the Mujahideen side, during the
>Dagestan operations in the months of August and
>September 1999? Please give some background to the
>Jihad in Dagestan.
>2) What is the reality of the Russian bombing campaign
>against Chechen civilians?
>3) Everyone is accusing you and Shamil Basayev of
>masterminding the explosions in Moscow. What do you
>have to say about this?
>4) Rumours are circulating that you have received $25
>million from Usama Bin Laden. Is this true?
>5) What are the difficulties that have made by
>neighbouring countries to Mujahideen supply routes?
>6) What message do you have to say to the Muslim
>world, especially in the West?
>
>
>1) What is the accurate number of casualties on both
>the Russian side and the Mujahideen side, during the
>Dagestan operations in the months of August and
>September 1999? Please give some background to the
>Jihad in Dagestan.
>
>The Jihad in Dagestan started after the invasions of
>the Russian
>forces into some Muslim cities in Dagestan where the
>Shariah was
>implemented. These cities broke apart from the
>authority of the
>Dagestani Government back in 1998.  The names of these
>cities are Karamakhe, Shabanmakhe and some cities in
>the Soumada region. It is well known from the history
>of the Caucasus region, that Chechens and Dagestanis
>are the same people, with the same Iman, having the
>same history, who have been living together and
>fighting together against their main enemy: Communist
>Russia. In the last few weeks before the Jihad In
>Dagestan, the Russian Government strengthened their
>special police force (it is like a military police
>force, trained and heavily armed) in order to fight
>against the Muslims in the Caucasus region, especially
>those who were returning to their Deen and to the
>implementation of the Shariah, as in Karamakhe,
>Shabanmakhe and in other Dagestan region such as
>Soumada, Gimkhe...etc. This Dagestani military police
>started surrounding and putting checkpoints in these
>cities and regions. On top of that the Dagestani
>Government made an official request Russia to send
>Russian troops to help them in surrounding these
>cities and regions. Russian forces thus moved into
>these areas. Then, the Mujahideen from the Caucasus,
>especially the Dagestani Mujahideen, requested the
>Dagestani Government, using all legal and official
>means to stop this situation. Nobody listened to their
>calls. On the contrary, the Dagestani and the Russian
>government decided not only to place checkpoints and
>surround these towns but also  began bombing with
>heavy artillery and air strikes. That is exactly what
>the Russian Army did. Weeks after the bombing, the
>Mujahideen gathered and decided to divert the
>attention of the Russian forces who were located in
>those regions, under the general leadership of Shamil
>Basayev, who is the overall commander in the battle
>field; I being the Military commander of the
>operations. After some planning, we entered the
>Botlikh region of Dagestan, confronting the Russian
>forces in a severe battle.
>
>* Russian and Mujahideen casualties in the region of
>Botlikh (Dagestan)
>
>The Russian forces suffered many losses at the hands
>of the Mujahideen.
>We destroyed 5-7 helicopter gunships, two planes. We
>damaged more than 18 Army vehicles (BMP, BTRs,
>etc....). We killed, with the help of Allah, more than
>400 soldiers and injured a tremendous amount of
>Russian soldiers. We destroyed a helicopter in which
>there were three senior Russian generals, and many
>high-ranking officers from the Russian Air Force. Most
>of these casualties were filmed by Russian television.
>These facts are not hidden by the Russsian media and
>Government.
>
>Despite these huge Russian losses, the Russian forces
>were unable to take even a single metre from
>Mujahideen territory. Due to sustained heavy bombing
>and continuous air strikes by the disbelievers against
>the Mujahideen, permanent reinforcement of ground
>soldiers with army vehicles and a lack of Mujahideen
>amunitions and supplies, we
>decided to withdraw from those areas in the Botlikh
>region.
>We suffered very light losses. Some of our vehicles
>were too damaged to be brought back. 38 brothers were
>shaheed, may Allah accept them among the martyrs.
>About 25 brothers received light injuries, 15 received
>injuries that need a bit of time to recover from.
>
>In those operations, the Vice Military Commander,
>Hakeem Al-Madani, was martyred as well as Sheikh Abu
>Musab (Algerian). The Russian forces used all kind of
>weapons against the Mujahideen, ranging from air
>strikes, tank shells, heavy artillery and Napalm bombs
>to mortar, military vehicles and so on. They virtually
>flattened all towns that
>were occupied by the Mujahideen. The inhabitants of
>these towns fled their homes due to the daily bombing
>by the disbelievers.
>
>* Once more Karamakhe (Dagestan) was besieged by the
>Russian forces.
>
>After 19 days in Dagestan we withdrew, realising that
>to actually
>stay in Dagestan on a permanent basis and confront the
>Russian Army, which is the biggest army in the world,
>is virtually impossible,
>except by the Will of Allah. The kind of strategy more
>appropriate to
>the Mujahideen is to strike and move, hit army
>convoys, attack army
>bases and command posts etc... just like in the
>Chechen Jihad. Three Days after we left Dagestan, the
>Russian forces besieged Karamakhe once more. Karamakhe
>was one of the towns in Dagestan that was implementing
>the Shariah. This town and its inhabitants never got
>involved in any Dagestani internal affair or any fight
>against the Dagestani military police forces. At 12
>o'clock midnight, the Russian Army launched an
>unprovoked bombing campaign against Karamakhe.
>
>Once more the Mujahideen and Muslims of the region
>made official
>requests to the Dagestani Government to stop these
>bombings. No-one
>listened to them. Therefore, it was our duty to go and
>help our Muslim
>brothers once more in Dagestan against the Satanic
>forces, as we did
>previously in the Botlikh region.
>
>* Jihad in Nolak (Novaloskye) region of Dagestan
>
>We entered into the Nolak region of Dagestan, once
>more facing the
>Russian Army and forcing them into a terrible fight.
>The Russian
>forces suffered many losses. We destroyed more than 30
>Army vehicles and we took about 15 Army vehicles as
>war booty, some of them being too
>damaged to be brought back to base. Altogether, 50
>Army vehicles were
>either destroyed, damaged or taken back as war booty.
>We also damaged several Russia helicopter gunships.
>There was fighting inside Dagestan (Karamakhe) as well
>as at the border (Botlikh and Nolak).
>
>The battles in Karamakhe proves very well that the
>Jihad in Dagestan is
>not a matter of Non-Dagestani Mujahideen who want to
>fight inside
>Dagestan. In Karamakhe, there are no Chechens or
>foreigners. This proves that the Jihad in Dagestan is
>a clear war between the Russian forces and Mujahideen:
>forces of Satan versus Allah's soldiers in the
>Caucasus.
>
>* Russian and Mujahideen casualties in Nolak region
>(Dagestan)
>
>In the Nolak battles against the Russian army, about
>30 army vehicles
>were destroyed. If you calculate that there are at
>least five soldiers in each army vehicle, that means
>that at least 150 Russians were killed in those
>vehicles. In one operation, the Russian Air Force was
>shooting at their own soldiers that were running away
>from the Mujahideen. Allah
>blinded the pilots. They killed about 20 of their
>soldiers and injured many more. In others operations,
>about 30 Russians were killed and many were seriously
>injured. We can say for certain that at least 200
>Russian soldiers were shot dead and that a tremendous
>amount of Russian soldiers were badly injured. This is
>only from our side.
>
>But there were also about 600 Mujahideen fighting near
>Khasavyort (Nolak region), Dagestan's second biggest
>town. The fighting there was also very severe. We can
>confidently say that the overall Russian casualties in
>the Nolak region amount to several hundred dead and
>over a thousand injured.
>
>From our side, in all about 60 brothers were shaheed,
>may Allah accept
>them among the Martyrs, and about 80 were injured; the
>majority having
>light injuries. We stayed for a week in the Nolak
>region, then all the
>Mujahideen pull out and returned safely to their
>bases.
>
>* Number of Mujahideen during the Jihad in Dagestan
>(Botlikh and Nolak regions).
>
>In Botlikh, the total number of Mujahideen was about
>500, but in the
>Nolak there were about 1200 Mujahideen with about 2000
>Mujahideen in
>reserve, waiting in Chechnya. Russian reports claiming
>that there were 5000 Mujahideen of which 1000 were
>killed are fabrications. The truth will always come
>out against falsehood, with the Help of Allah.
>
>2) What is the reality of the Russian bombing campaign
>against Chechen civilians?
>
>The Russian forces are using two methods of bombing on
>Chechen villages
>to kill women and children. Firstly, they are
>continuously bombing the
>Chechen villages situated at the Dagestani border
>using heavy artillery. Secondly, they are using air
>strikes against Chechen towns and villages all around
>Chechnya. By 27 September 1999, about 400 civilians
>had been killed and 700 injured, mainly women and
>children. Hundreds of people have fled the bombing
>areas. About 15 to 20 towns and villages have been
>bombed, 4 villages being completely flattened, house
>by house. Until today the bombing campaign continue in
>many part of Chechnya, adding more civilian
>casualties. May protests have been held in Grozny,
>some of them led by the President of Chechnya, Aslan
>Mashkadov.
>
>But who is listening to these protests? This state of
>war is not new to the Caucasus people in general and
>to the Chechen people in particular. Most of the
>people of the region are used to fighting against the
>Communist Russia. Everybody here is ready to fight
>against the oppressive Russian regime, insha-Allah.
>
>3) Everyone is accusing you and Shamil Basayev of
>masterminding the explosions in Moscow. What do you
>have to say about this?
>
>
>Before we talk about the explosions in Moscow, let me
>ask you few
>questions.
>
>Firstly, where was the world media when the Dagestani
>military police forces and the Russian forces besieged
>the towns of Karamakhe, Shabanmakhe and the Soumada
>region, bombing them with air strike and heavy
>artillery, only because these cities were
>implementing the Shariah of Allah? Those towns and
>regions never got
>involved in any Dagestani internal affair, nor had any
>trouble with the Dagestani or the Russian Governments.
>
>Secondly, how come the world media kept quiet when
>more than 500 women
>and about 1000 children were preventing from leaving
>those towns during
>the heavy bombing of those places? Many got killed and
>injured during
>the Russian bombing of those towns.
>
>Thirdly, why does all the world refuse to stand up and
>comdemn the daily bombing of Chechen villages? The
>casualties until now have reached over 400 killed and
>700 injured, with several thousand fleeing their
>homes. 15 to 20 villages and towns are either
>completely destroyed or partially damaged.
>
>Finally, why does the world and the UN refuse to put
>pressure on the
>Russian Government to implement the accord signed
>between Russia and
>Chechnya after the war in Chechnya, in 1996? Why is
>Grozny Airport not open to international traffic? Why
>are the Chechen borders still closed? Why is Russia is
>making an embargo to Chechen trade and supply.
>
>We as Muslim and Mujahideen are fighting only against
>the disbelieving
>soldiers. It is not permissible for us to kill women
>and children.
>This is part of our religion. Those atrocities are
>committed by the Russian Forces on Chechen civilians
>because they are not able to defeat the Mujahideen on
>the battlefield, although they possess the biggest
>army in the world. Therefore, they bomb women and
>children to turn the
>people against the Mujahideen. They are making wicked
>plans but Allah
>is the best of Planners.
>
>As long as the Russian army is continuing its bombing
>campaign against
>Chechen civilians and oppressing Muslims in the
>Caucasus, we cannot
>condemn the series of explosions in Moscow and Russia.
>
>
>Obviously, the world will accuse Shamil Basayev and I
>of making those
>explosions in Moscow and Russia. We denied being
>responsible or having any part to play in those series
>of explosions. Our role and responsibilities are to
>organise the Mujahideen in order to fight against the
>oppressive Russian army in the Caucasus region. Like
>the scientist Isaac Newton said, "Every action has an
>equal and opposite reaction."
>
>4) Rumours are circulating that you have received $25
>million from Usama Bin Ladin. Is this true?
>
>The West and the rest of the world are accusing Usama
>Bin Ladin of
>being the prime sponsor and organizer of what they
>call 'International Terrorism', today. But as far as
>we are concerned, he is our brother in Islam. He is
>someone of knowledge and a Mujahid fighting with his
>wealth and himself for the sake of Allah. He is a
>sincere brother and he is completely the opposite to
>what the disbelievers are accusing him of. We know
>that he is well established with the Mujahideen in
>Afghanistan and other places in the world. But the
>distance between
>him and us is very big. As you know, routes and
>communication between
>him and us are severed.
>
>What the Americans are saying is not true. However, it
>is an obligation for all Muslims to help each other in
>order to promote the religion of Islam. Usama Bin
>Laden is one of the major scholars of the Jihad, as
>well as being a main commander of the Mujahideen
>worldwide. He fought for many years against the
>Communists in Afghanistan and now is engaged in a war
>against American Imperalism.
>
>Usama Bin Laden never financed us in the Jihad in
>Dagestan because
>the distance between us is too huge and we have no
>contact whatsoever. Even during the Jihad in
>Afghanistan, such amounts of money ($25 million) were
>never spent by the Mujahideen in order to fight the
>Russian Forces. The Mujahideen have very basic means,
>with little
>weapons and money. Million or not, this will not delay
>or boost our
>Jihad for the sake of Allah. Our weapon is to believe
>in Allah (Iman).
>We just have to  rely on Allah for help. Weapons,
>funds, support from
>individuals or groups is not everything. Allah will
>help those who are
>sincere in their intention of fighting for His Sake.
>
>5) What are the difficulties that have made by
>neighbouring countries to Mujahideen supply routes?
>
>From a theorical point of view, these states can plan
>to make difficult supply routes for the Mujahideen,
>but in reality it is virtually impossible to do so,
>because there are many roads and routes leading to
>Chechnya. On top of that, most of the Caucasus region
>is Muslim. Therefore, the Muslims and Mujahideen from
>Ingueshitia, Ossetia,
>Georgia, Azerbajan etc... help each other in providing
>supply routes
>to the Mujahideen in Chechnya and Dagestan. Even when
>Chechnya was
>suffering from an economic and military blockade by
>Russian forces during the Jihad here in 1994-96, there
>were supply routes and unrestricted movement of people
>into and out of the country.
>
>Now the Russian Government and the Russian Army cannot
>eve organise and
>control political and economical situation in Moscow.
>They cannot even govern the Russian people; what about
>the Caucasus as a whole? Russia is in disarray, the
>economy is bankrupt, the administration is a chaos,
>and the army is a mess etc.... Russia is very sick,
>finished and dying. Therefore, there is no benefit for
>the Caucasusian countries to stay under the Russian
>leadership. Russian cannot even afford the payroll of
>its employees in Moscow; what about the payrolls of
>the whole of the Caucasus?
>
>* Kavkaz people returning to their Deen (Islam)
>
>The time has arrived now that the Caucasus people want
>to break free from Russian supremacy and dominance.
>They want to leave with their own Aqeedah (ideology),
>which is Islam. This is their righst. The Caucasus
>history shows well that the Russian regime oppressed
>them for many decades. Now the people of the region
>have the means and opportunities to defend themselves
>against the Communist oppression, by returning to
>their Deen. The entire history of the Caucasus is just
>a war between Russian forces and the Caucasian people.
>Today, the Caucausian people do not want the past to
>be repeated. They are getting ready to fight more than
>ever against the Russian army with Iman and Jihad.
>
>6) What message do you have to say to the Muslim
>world, especially in the West?
>
>The first thing that the Muslim world can do to help
>the Mujahideen is
>Dua (supplicating to Allah to help the Mujahideen).
>Then they should follow up the news about the
>situation of the Mujahideen in the Caucasus. That is
>what the Mujahideen need more than anything else.
>During the Jihad in Chechnya, the Americans and the
>rest of the world were spreading news that the Jihad
>in Chechnya is a Russian internal affair. The Muslims
>have to know the truth.
>
>It is an obligation for all the Muslims to be in the
>Jihad and fight for the sake of Allah.  Allah mention
>many times in the Quran to fight with your wealth and
>yourselves in His way.
>
>The Messeger (SAWS) quoted many hadith stressing the
>importance of the Jihad. Islam was spread all over the
>world with Dawah and Jihad. Dawah
>and Jihad goes hand to hand. Each and every Muslim is
>responsible infront of Allah to leave his home to
>fight in the Jihad.
>Alhamdullilah, Allah blessed us by having taking part
>in the Jihad in Chechnya and now in the Caucasus as a
>whole. By being in the Jihad we can refute and deny
>the pack of lies that the disbelievers are
>trying to communicate to the outside world.
>
>Talking about the Jihad is not sufficient. You have to
>be in the battlefield in order to spread Islam and the
>correct information to the rest of the Muslim world.
>Although, Russia is on the verge of collapsing, the
>Russian Army still has some resources, either weapons
>or soldiers.
>
>WE ARE STILL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE JIHAD IN THIS
>REGION. The Caucasian brothers are getting ready to
>confront the Russian forces. It will be a long and
>difficult struggle, but Allah is with the true
>believers who fight for his Sake. Therefore, as well
>as it being an obligation to follow up the news about
>the Mujahideen all over the world.
>
>Military Commander of the Mujahideen in the Caucasus:
>Ibn-ul-Khattab
>
>This interview was made on 27 September 1999
>
>Azzam Publications is only a news outlet. We do not
>have links with Mujahideen anywhere.
>
>
>
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>"And with the likes of all these (martyrs), nations are established,
>convictions are brought to life and ideologies are made victorious."
>[Shaheed Dr. Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, assassinated 1989]


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