Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
Same here, workthreadpool.cpp (296) : Assertion Failed: CWorkThreadPool::StopWorkThreads: Some threads required forcible termination. 2010/6/14 Justin mysteriousjus...@gmail.com: crashes one of my servers when i attempt to load it.. On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Didrole didr...@gmail.com wrote: I've made a plugin that shows the server reputation score in the console. If your server is banned it should also show when it will be unbanned. (I've not tested it on a banned server yet, so it can have bugs) http://didrole.com/server_reputation/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
There was an issue if the plugin was loaded on a windows server without steam installed. An updated archive is available on the same url. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
1) Create your own topic 2) You might want to specify what games, what did you test to rule out 3rd party plugins etc etc etc. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:06 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2934 - Release Date: 06/13/10 21:45:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
This problem was here before, but developerers ignored it. It is HLDS Counter-Strike 1.6 using latest version. 2010/6/14 Saint K. sai...@specialattack.net 1) Create your own topic 2) You might want to specify what games, what did you test to rule out 3rd party plugins etc etc etc. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:06 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2934 - Release Date: 06/13/10 21:45:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
server specs? On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Qlimax Povar ount...@gmail.com wrote: This problem was here before, but developerers ignored it. It is HLDS Counter-Strike 1.6 using latest version. 2010/6/14 Saint K. sai...@specialattack.net 1) Create your own topic 2) You might want to specify what games, what did you test to rule out 3rd party plugins etc etc etc. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:06 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2934 - Release Date: 06/13/10 21:45:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
I've experienced this several times and I run a completely different setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
I've seen this problem only on servers that have slow hard drive re/write. Run a tool to benchmark your HDD speed. If you had linux, I'd say just do a hdparm -t /dev/(s/h)da There might be a similar utility for windows. Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:21 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've experienced this several times and I run a completely different setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
using metamod-p and amxmodx, win build 4554. Server hangs up on mapchange, when players (in this point 30-32 players) are connecting at once, the server just not respond, and you cannot write anything in console. 2010/6/14 Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com I've experienced this several times and I run a completely different setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
SAMSUNG HD103SJ 1TB 3.0Gbps 32MB, bad for you? 2010/6/14 Allan Button abut...@netaccess.ca I've seen this problem only on servers that have slow hard drive re/write. Run a tool to benchmark your HDD speed. If you had linux, I'd say just do a hdparm -t /dev/(s/h)da There might be a similar utility for windows. Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:21 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've experienced this several times and I run a completely different setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
No, the map loads and the game starts. About 60 seconds into the map, freezes. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Allan Button abut...@netaccess.ca Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:59:41 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing listhlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've seen this problem only on servers that have slow hard drive re/write. Run a tool to benchmark your HDD speed. If you had linux, I'd say just do a hdparm -t /dev/(s/h)da There might be a similar utility for windows. Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:21 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've experienced this several times and I run a completely different setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
I only get in console is when server changes the map he writes mp_chattime 10 and freezes :) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:44 PM, voo...@voogru.com wrote: No, the map loads and the game starts. About 60 seconds into the map, freezes. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Allan Button abut...@netaccess.ca Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:59:41 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've seen this problem only on servers that have slow hard drive re/write. Run a tool to benchmark your HDD speed. If you had linux, I'd say just do a hdparm -t /dev/(s/h)da There might be a similar utility for windows. Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:21 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've experienced this several times and I run a completely different setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
iv only had that happpen on crappy servers (1gb ram crappy cpu crappry read write) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Qlimax Povar ount...@gmail.com wrote: I only get in console is when server changes the map he writes mp_chattime 10 and freezes :) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:44 PM, voo...@voogru.com wrote: No, the map loads and the game starts. About 60 seconds into the map, freezes. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Allan Button abut...@netaccess.ca Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:59:41 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've seen this problem only on servers that have slow hard drive re/write. Run a tool to benchmark your HDD speed. If you had linux, I'd say just do a hdparm -t /dev/(s/h)da There might be a similar utility for windows. Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:21 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've experienced this several times and I run a completely different setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers
Q8200, 4GB ram On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Michael Krasnow mnk...@gmail.com wrote: iv only had that happpen on crappy servers (1gb ram crappy cpu crappry read write) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Qlimax Povar ount...@gmail.com wrote: I only get in console is when server changes the map he writes mp_chattime 10 and freezes :) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:44 PM, voo...@voogru.com wrote: No, the map loads and the game starts. About 60 seconds into the map, freezes. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Allan Button abut...@netaccess.ca Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:59:41 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've seen this problem only on servers that have slow hard drive re/write. Run a tool to benchmark your HDD speed. If you had linux, I'd say just do a hdparm -t /dev/(s/h)da There might be a similar utility for windows. Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:21 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I've experienced this several times and I run a completely different setup. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Qlimax Povar Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Black Listed / De-listed Servers I dont know where to post it, so I will post it here, I think we all have a problem with the server hang problem. Whenever there is 32/32 players and the server changes the map, the server just HANGS, after 5min the server starts responding. ANY FIXES COMING? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Released
An optional update for Team Fortress 2 is now available. The major changes include: - Fixed client crash when rendering model panels - Fixed client crash when rendering text strings - Fixed client crash in the main menu - Fixed server crash related to bots and health kits Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Released
It looks update CS:S-Beta, HL2 and DOD:S were updated as well. Any details? On 6/14/2010 7:10 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote: An optional update for Team Fortress 2 is now available. The major changes include: - Fixed client crash when rendering model panels - Fixed client crash when rendering text strings - Fixed client crash in the main menu - Fixed server crash related to bots and health kits Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Released
They're all one engine so Valve patches all of them at once. -Wellington Willy Cordeiro On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Nathan D. nathan...@cox.net wrote: It looks update CS:S-Beta, HL2 and DOD:S were updated as well. Any details? On 6/14/2010 7:10 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote: An optional update for Team Fortress 2 is now available. The major changes include: - Fixed client crash when rendering model panels - Fixed client crash when rendering text strings - Fixed client crash in the main menu - Fixed server crash related to bots and health kits Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Released
Thanks for clearing that up. Allan Button -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Willy Cordeiro Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:20 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Released They're all one engine so Valve patches all of them at once. -Wellington Willy Cordeiro On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Nathan D. nathan...@cox.net wrote: It looks update CS:S-Beta, HL2 and DOD:S were updated as well. Any details? On 6/14/2010 7:10 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote: An optional update for Team Fortress 2 is now available. The major changes include: - Fixed client crash when rendering model panels - Fixed client crash when rendering text strings - Fixed client crash in the main menu - Fixed server crash related to bots and health kits Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
