Hooray! One step in the right direction indeed. Now to consider the other
suggested changes in relation to Quickplay please :) (particularly that
modified screenshot with the main menu UI changed to offer choices of what
type of server to join via quickplay). Thanks TF2 team for listening to us.
There's still some decent community servers out there. Just have to look
for these nuggets.
On 04.07.2015 16:37, AJ DeTorrice wrote:
I actually really dislike that valve decided to remove their servers
from the server browser. Nine times out of ten, I don't want to play
your terrible 24/7
You are just finding every reason to call this change bad.
With the thousands of valve servers flooding the list, and now flooding
the Show Servers option, the chances you joining a server you just
left are slim. Even if this option wasn't changed, the history tab would
still be broken, and
We've released an optional update for TF2 that fixes an exploit with players
taunting and then dying on the final control point of payload maps. You do not
need this update unless you are experiencing this problem. The update notes are
below. The new version number is 2863781.
-Eric
i think just adding a tick mark that is off by default would be the best
course of action for the server browser to show valve servers.
That way people who want to see them can, but the rest of us can find
community servers much easier.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Eric Smith
Endless waves of communities explaining how quickplay (and other changes
ofc) destroys communities, nothing happens.
Two people on the mailing list moan about valve servers being excluded
from the list, instantfix. GJ
On 04.07.2015 23:32, Kevin C wrote:
You have got to be kidding me.
Would you say the same thing if the situation was reversed and they took
away the community servers?
No. I didn't think so.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:07 AM, ics i...@ics-base.net wrote:
You had over 2 years of time to find a Valve server and add that to
favorites. How many do you have in
Thing is, some people here on this list don't even run servers. They
just want to say out their opinions about everything. When something
doesn't suit for their needs, they post and complain. It's internet.
-ics
HD kirjoitti:
You have to understand that again ICS is right, you had 2 years
I would just toggle the default Quickplay option for „Gameserver host“ from
„Official server“ to „Any server“.
1. Communities would be able to get quickplay traffic again
2. People who complained about the bad gaming experience still have their
„valve only“ button as requested
However I have to say the server browser itself has some severe
performance issues and takes a lot of CPU to sort just a silly few servers
(even now with just a handful of community servers its slow).
It also seems to buffer data so that I have to press refresh at least
twice, otherwise I
It was good start though. I'm sure that them looking into this further
will go nowhere, if the past is anything to go by.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Robert Paulson thepauls...@gmail.com
wrote:
Are you all really surprised by this? Valve doesn't care about community
servers anymore. The
Same here. I enjoyed going to Valve servers and now, there is only the
quickplay option available which takes forever.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:37 AM, AJ DeTorrice
thatcompanythatownsyourcomp...@gmail.com wrote:
I actually really dislike that valve decided to remove their servers from
the
You had over 2 years of time to find a Valve server and add that to
favorites. How many do you have in favorites? Look in the mirror if you
have 0 or cant find any.
-ics
AJ DeTorrice kirjoitti:
I actually really dislike that valve decided to remove their servers
from the server browser.
You don't have to worry about that. Check this out:
tf_matchmaking_retry_cooldown_seconds = 300
- Time to remember quickplay join attempt, and apply scoring penalty to
rejoin the same server
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.org wrote:
I never bothered to add
No. I will give you that.
Then the best solution would be to include a checkbox for Valve servers. So
those who want to see them can and those who don't... don't.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Floul flo...@looccraft.com wrote:
It doesn't help that it sorts through around 700 servers each
All you have to do is click Play Multiplayer, and instead of clicking
Join Game, click Show Servers. You will get a nice full list of valve
ran servers(assuming you have the Official checkbox checked, which it
is by default).
Refer to these screenshots if you are unsure how to do that:
If we had a monopoly over the quickplay defaults, sure. That be pretty
awesome.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Phillip Vector t...@mostdeadlygame.com
wrote:
Would you say the same thing if the situation was reversed and they took
away the community servers?
No. I didn't think so.
On Sat,
It might save overhead for clients, but certainly not valve.
From our tests valve servers are not being reported by the master
server, so your client does not actually get any data about them. The
performance goes down as more servers are populated in your list, apply
a filter early(under 1k
You have got to be kidding me.
http://i.imgur.com/tAmWXj6.png wink wink nudge nudge
On 7/4/2015 5:28 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
- Temporarily reverted Valve official quickplay and matchmaking servers not
being listed in the server browser while we look into this further
- Temporarily reverted Valve official quickplay and matchmaking servers not
being listed in the server browser while we look into this further.
A separate tab for valve servers. Show community servers on one tab, valve
servers on the other tab. The default tab should be 'community' tab. Since
Keep in mind I think this is also a wise step with this new contract
system. Valve certainly doesn't want to make it easy for people to find
empty Valve servers with their friends and jump on to complete the
contracts with little or no effort.
I think this is a great first step towards helping
gameplay changing plugins
How to kill alternative gamemodes/mods. (Which BTW is how any valve game
other than halflife was created)
On 04.07.2015 18:09, Andreas Grimm wrote:
I would just toggle the default Quickplay option for „Gameserver host“
from „Official server“ to „Any server“.
I shouldn't have to look for them. If I want a pure vanilla experience,
then I should be able to get it. I have yet to find one community server
that offers this (Not even advertising text lines on their server).
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Matthias InstantMuffin Kollek
proph...@sticed.org
I just tried and it took around 25 seconds to give me a list of around 10
or so servers. All of them having 0 players.
I did this twice and same result.
Are you saying NO ONE is playing in a valve server anywhere? Because if you
do, you are destroying the argument that people didn't know how to
You have to understand that again ICS is right, you had 2 years to find a few
good Valve servers. Community owners/servers have suffered the loss of players
for years now. Here we have a step in the right direction to making it right
and of course we will have a few like yourself “clients”
cant be
bothered - I want to launch the game and play, thats it.
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I actually really dislike that valve decided to remove their servers from
the server browser. Nine times out of ten, I don't want to play your
terrible 24/7 server with class limits. There definitely needs to be a
toggle to include valve servers in the server browser. IMO, quickplay takes
too long
It doesn't help that it sorts through around 700 servers each time
Phillip Vector wrote
Same here. I enjoyed going to Valve servers and now, there is only the
quickplay option available which takes forever.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:37 AM, AJ DeTorrice
I never bothered to add them to favorites. I simply used the history tab
to pick a Valve server with the map of choice. Now my history tab is
empty and while I can use Quickplay/Show servers to pick a certain map,
I cant right click there to View server info in order to find out if
thats the
Thanks to 1nsane, I guess that feature invalidates my point.
I have to disagree regarding the thousands of servers Kevin mentioned
though. Once you filter for a specific map and decent latency,
especially at awkward times of day, it usually comes down to 3 or less
Valve servers for me.
It might save overhead for clients, but certainly not valve.
True, but I doubt it would take a very robust set of load-balanced servers
to handle the load (and it's not like Valve's having profitability issues).
Heck, we recently built a new co-located server with a xeon 1271, 32GB of
ram, and
You might want to check other forums/avenues of communication other than
the mailing list; I've seen quite a few people complain about the valve
server change.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Matthias InstantMuffin Kollek
proph...@sticed.org wrote:
Endless waves of communities explaining how
Are you all really surprised by this? Valve doesn't care about community
servers anymore. The moment 1 person complains that they couldn't wait 15
seconds for quickplay, it gets removed.
Anyway you are all acting like half life 3 was announced.
The majority of players still click play now
However, Valve should be supporting the community more as well. Valve was
and should still be known for giving great support to community servers.
There have been many suggestions given to Valve that would make both sides
happy. However, it seems like Valve just wants to ignore them. It has
Hence, what he actually said was an *ad hominem argument* - That being
Latin for an attack against the man
I stand corrected.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Cats From Above spotsfromab...@gmail.com
wrote:
Well actually, what he said wasn't a *strawman *at all. A strawman is the
misstatement
If we're really talking about player choice, here, then you have to remove
the default effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_effect_(psychology) that gives one
group of server preferential treatment over another to achieve true
player choice.
I'm all for player choice. If I want to play in
I honestly find it comical that people think those servers are a good
representation of what the game should be (or, frankly, are any fun at all).
and this is why I rarely post here. Because most people here are not
willing to listen to the other side of things and meet in the middle.
Insulting
You're out of the loop dude, Valve servers were not there for a day,
they were returned few hours ago.
-ics
Alexander Corn kirjoitti:
Now my history tab is empty
Did you even check? Valve servers are/were still listed in the history
tab. The change merely added a condition to the Internet
I don't have a vendetta against community servers. I just dislike when
community server owners think they are gods gift to TF2 and demand special
treatment to the determent of those who want to play vanilla TF2.
I'm not looking for special treatment. I'd be satisfied with equitable
What you just said implies that *every *community server provides a
modified game-play experience, which is not only a dubious claim but one
that almost certainly stems from a distinct level of benightedness.
There are community servers out there, many of them, which offer a vanilla
experience in
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As always both parties here aren't really unblemished. However, compared
to real life, given how much protest (and how intense it has to be) is
necessary, everyone is basically santa claus here (not the bad santa
version).
The only two things about the people here that annoy me is that some
Your version of events borders on white-knighting, in my honest opinion.
Valve has a share of blame for allowing an environment where unscrupulous
operators were rewarded financially simply by getting people to join thier
servers. The rise of Pinion and the like was attractive to individuals who
No, LOL! I've never had anything like that and never changed anything
causing this to be a problem. Interesting thought though.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Alexander Corn mc...@doctormckay.com
wrote:
Did you have a 'valve' tag in your sv_tags like a fool?
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:16 PM,
Amazing, two people complain and Valve quickly reverts the one bit of
progress we were beginning to have. I'm sceptical about the likelihood that
they're looking into it further however. What a shame, I really was hoping
at last the majority was being listened to, not a minority.
On 5 July 2015
Well actually, what he said wasn't a *strawman *at all. A strawman is the
misstatement of an argumentative position for the sake of attacking said
position in an attempt to one up your opponent. Obviously, possession of a
vendetta is not an argumentative position (false or otherwise) but rather a
What you just said implies that *every *community server provides a
modified game-play experience, which is not only a dubious claim but one
that almost certainly stems from a distinct level of benightedness.
A modified game-play experience, yes. Even if it's just placing a text ad
every 5 mins.,
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The entire point of Quickplay from the get-go was to help people to easily
find servers offering vanilla-ish gameplay. That is, major game settings
are set to their defaults, no custom gamemodes, no game-breaking donor
perks, etc.
It's a decent idea, the only problem is that Valve added it and
Now my history tab is empty
Did you even check? Valve servers are/were still listed in the history tab.
The change merely added a condition to the Internet tab's master server
query to not return any servers with the 'valve' tag.
Official MvM servers aren't listed on the master server *at all*,
I don't know if this would be ideal. My suggestion would be to filter Valve
servers by default, unless the user explicitly adds 'valve' to the tags
search bar.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Spencer 'Voogru' MacDonald
voo...@voogru.com wrote:
- Temporarily reverted Valve official quickplay
Did you have a 'valve' tag in your sv_tags like a fool?
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Mike Vail supp...@boomgaming.net wrote:
My player counts fell by 50% or more since yesterday's update and I don't
even run servers that compete against the stock Valve servers.Nearly all my
servers are
I also don't think the phrase Community and Custom are necessarily
interchangeable. There are plenty of community servers out there with 100%
stock settings, and I certainly wouldn't call them custom.
Further - I don't anyone who played TF2 before quickplay came along can say
that Valve's servers
Logging cl_connectmethod.
Why do you presume that I am pulling it from my ass?
I'm curious as to why you have a vendetta against community servers. Did
you get put on saigns and couldn't figure out how to type valve in server
browser, so you are resorting to flaming the server owners here?
On
Yes, I'm aware. I just felt the need to call out misinformation.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:24 PM, ics i...@ics-base.net wrote:
You're out of the loop dude, Valve servers were not there for a day, they
were returned few hours ago.
-ics
Alexander Corn kirjoitti:
Now my history tab is empty
Valve pretty much specifically created quickplay to keep people on valve
servers (given how it worked out). I don't see any reason why they
should show up in the server browser *by default* as well.
The issue isn't just based on bad representation of the servers, but
also on a non-existent
To be honest, TF2's player base has changed a lot since the quick-play
change. Most of the players who have played on the community servers are
gone since their communities died and they don't want to play on Valve
official servers where there is no actual community. It seems the new
TF2
Hey there. I'm a normal client who once helped operate a TF2 server.
During the period where Valve servers weren't showing up on the server
browser, I couldn't see any of the past Valve servers I had been to in the
history tab, either.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Alexander Corn
My player counts fell by 50% or more since yesterday's update and I don't
even run servers that compete against the stock Valve servers.Nearly all my
servers are trade servers without Quickplay. Once this optional update was
released, my player counts instantly soared and all my custom servers
The majority of players still click play now instead of using the server
browser so removing valve servers from the browser list probably does very
little for your own servers.
Please tell me how you managed to get access to this data. Presuming you
aren't pulling it from your ass of course.
On
He probably did. I just checked and literally everything he has ever posted
to this mailing list has been against community servers. Seems like some
SPUF/reddit user found the server ops' mailing list and wants to keep
non-Valve servers shut out because he was on a bad server once.
On Sat, Jul 4,
Logging cl_connectmethod
That tells you for every server that you own. Not every server in
existence. Your statement of The majority of players still click play now
instead of using the server browser is missing something. It should say, The
majority of players ON MY SERVERS.
Of course, we don't
Some were terrible and cheated the system to trick players joining their
servers. When Valve tried to stop them, they cheated the system more. Even
after Valve constantly tried to help those community servers who played by
the rules, the community kept calling foul.
So eventually, Valve
“But yeah. The default should be ... well... the default.”
The default should show everything. Let players filter them out on their own.
If they don’t want to filter and search for a server, I think they have a
feature for that already. I think it’s called.. quickplay.
I don’t know if you
This is a great move in the right direction to help Community servers.
Quickplay is QUICK I’ve used it and it is fast to find a server as in only
seconds.
Now as I said a move but only a baby step to restore how things should be for
the community run servers.
It is not hard to find a
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