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Supposed to be funny ?
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Hello,
Let's run a book on which servers Valve will
If this doesn't affect you, or you aren't interested, you don't have to
reply.
A lot of people are angry about this and it's not going to die.
You can't guarantee that Valve won't randomly remove servers from the lists
in future.
This is a serious issue. It could be your servers next.
Explain to me genius how you forseen Valve removing servers off the master
list servers?
You didn't.
Therefore, none of us, can make the guarantee that Valve won't remove
servers from the list in future.
If Valve can't guarantee, that they won't remove servers from the list in
future. Then why
Get over it and move onjust like every time something like this has
happened in the past.
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Hello,
Let's run a book on which servers Valve will randomly filter out next,
I think people just need to grow up.
Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player
limit. They can and will do whats in their best
interest and/or needs. They never intended (at this
time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out.
They have the right to do so.
Don't like it? Then
In your opinion
...I can state mine...if you don't like itwell...you can simmer...
Oh and please grow up.
Thanks.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Leissler
Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
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Agreed. It should not be a requirement that a server admin running mods must
check to see if his server is still listed. I do acknowledge that there may
be reasons for Valve to limit the player count to 24 (in reality I like the
decision).
The cvar for low grav was never implemented on TF2 in the first place. It
was never removed and you would have been the first to download a plugin
if that plugin had gotten around it.
*Then* at that point, you would have been the first to complain *if* it had
been servers with a low-grav / hack /
Most plugins will change the intended parameters, therefore what you are
saying is that the only way one can guarantee his server will stay on the
list, is to run a vanilla server.
You will find that over time, most server admins will not want to run a
vanilla server AND the long term survival of
There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be discussed then
lets at least do it sensibly.
Anyway.
Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods from the lists,
they have apparently removed servers running mods that allow 32 players. It
occurs to me they must have
First and only reply to this discussion. I agree with the below. I think
someone isn't understanding the word Customer. Since when did they start
selling the server files? Also Valve isn't the first company to delist
servers. It was actually easy for Valve to do this as it was just a max
player
Thanks Chris,
Hopefully people will actually get the point which isn't about 32
slots although thats the change which was made this time.. The point
is Valve need to let us know when they are going to change something
which is going to impact upon the running of our servers.
The not modding 3rd
Low gravity is not removed.
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From: Hell Phoenix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:03 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam master servers, without any annoucment.
And
Actually, I run my server within the intended parameters and I can be
incredibly sure that it will forever show up on the list.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:54 AM
To:
And beating a dead horse wont resurrect him. I ran a low grav server,
and they took away that cvar. Our community is pissed, but you dont see
me sending out a gazillion emails. Valve will never respond, just like
they havent in the past. If they dont respond, then their is no
problem. Like I
Oh and Jonathon,
Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken note. When you're
server and you're community is affected by Valves heavy handed arrogance,
we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow.
You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we.
S.
This is sillyyeah but then...wasn't deliberately making 32 perfectly
viable and well played 32 slot servers, unviable by filtering them out of
the list, a bit silly?
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Whelan
Sent: 15 October 2007
WRONG! We were running a beta low grav server until the update or two
before the final release (the same one that killed 32 player servers).
You dont have to run a vanilla server...just one that doesnt hack the
dll in memory (or use a hacked dll).
Chris Barnett wrote:
The cvar for low grav
How can I ensure that my server is left on the freakin server list in
future?
Simple: dont try and run it as 32 man if Valve kill of any other servers
running mods then I will eat my hat. They haven't even done that here.. they
just changed the master server list to filter out anything
Compile: ConVar *sv_gravity = cvar-FindVar(sv_gravity);
And you'll get back a non-null result. The CVAR is still there.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:29 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
I couldn't give a flying fig what E.A. do with their customers.
Why is it when people bring up perfectly valid points certain people decide
to play the legal angle : Valve are within their rights to xyz
Well. I'm a Valve customer and I'm well within my rights, to say that they
are royally
Thomas,
I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community, there
is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up Quit
whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada yada
As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be random. No one knew what
I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or
something like that. It was a normal plugin -- And my server is still
removed from the serverlist.
Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove their
servers if they use it... great!
What should I do
Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers did to
get on the list.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers
Well if you want to get technical, yes the cvar is still there...they
have just taken away our access to it (for now anyways).
Tony Paloma wrote:
Compile: ConVar *sv_gravity = cvar-FindVar(sv_gravity);
And you'll get back a non-null result. The CVAR is still there.
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Why not simply remove the filter?
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Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma
Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55
An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly
remove from the
Erm...As you said...Valve filtered out 32 slot servers, not those with the
plugin.
So..If I run a server that has a mod, which runs low gravity..and Valve
don't like it..they'll find a way to filter out servers with low_grav rather
than those that have the low grav mod.
The fightback will come
Or tell me how to do it ...
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma
Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55
An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly
remove from the steam
WRONG!
Valve didn't go after any mods, they simply delisted servers that had 32
slots, a side effect of running a legit plugin.
Chris.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hell Phoenix
Sent: 15 October 2007 18:36
To:
Somebody call the WHMBULANCE
=p
Chris Barnett wrote:
Erm...As you said...Valve filtered out 32 slot servers, not those with the
plugin.
So..If I run a server that has a mod, which runs low gravity..and Valve
don't like it..they'll find a way to filter out servers with low_grav
The filter is maintained by Valve on their master servers. If peoples
servers are being filtered out on the server list, there isn't a lot they
can do about it. Apart from complain *AND* put across the point of the
dangerous and unacceptable precedence that it sets.
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Well I might consider keeping mine going, by advertising 24 slots but
actually having 32. Don't know if it will work or not. But if it wastes
Valves time and pisses off the I hate 24+ slots crowd then great.
The misinformation begins. Players start to lose, because they don't know
what they are
I'm not trying to be rude. It's just that everyday in this community,
there
is always some joker, who thinks it's big and clever to post up Quit
whinning, XXX isn't what I'm after, I'm alright Jack..yada yada yada
Fair point :) I share your viewpoint (albeit from the other side) - and I
did
Even if you set the visible max players to 24, the steam master still knows
you have 32 and won't list you.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:15 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE:
How is 24 man not enough for you? To the point you will stop playing
the game! What if the mod hadn't come along - would you still stop playing
it ?
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Anyone who thinks this thread is about delisting 32 player server please
stop posting and read the damn subject. This is about a lack of notice when
delisting servers.
On 10/15/07, Hell Phoenix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody call the
Oh I'm sure someone will find a way though.
:-)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma
Sent: 15 October 2007 19:19
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the
steam
Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that
doesn't deserve your attention.
Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow and
painful death it deserves.
Chris.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Valve publicity ? You mean marketing? Don't tell me that Clown Lombardi is
behind all of this. That man is responsible for the abomination that is the
Steam forums, you know. Where they went out and found the worst trolling
halfwits the internet has to offer and gave them the keys to the Valve
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Oh I'm sure someone will find a way though.
:-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma
Sent: 15 October 2007
Try setting sv_gravity as one of the startup parameters.
+sv_gravity 300
Oh, it should work for mp_friendlyfire too.
I have a plug-in that will unhide the cvars, but I'm too scared to release
it right now.
- voogru.
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I can live with all this I just want Valve Admin tools so we don't have to
worry about updates breaking the server plug-ins. Heck why can't they do
all the cool plug-ins that people like?:-(
Jason
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Chris Barnett wrote:
Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that
doesn't deserve your attention.
Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow
Yea I wouldn't release it to the list if you want to continue using it if
you know what I mean:-(
Jason
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru'
MacDonald
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:04 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Well you have to wonder what's next?
When will the No/Shorter respawn timer servers vanish? Servers with no
criticals? (when somebody eventually figures how to turn that crap off)
32 player servers were packed regularly, people who dont like that sort of
organised chaos could easily avoid them.
Criticals are easy to turn off.
tf_damage_critical_chance
tf_damage_critical_chance_melee
tf_damage_critical_chance_rapid
tf_damage_critical_duration_rapid
tf_damage_critical_mult
tf_damage_criticalmod_damage
tf_damage_criticalmod_maxmult
tf_damage_criticalmod_maxtime
The Silence from Valve is deafening...
Mike ParaDOX
www.paradisesgarage.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will
Jason,
I want way less than that and anyone who demands more is a total whiner.
What the heck, why does Valve bother with multi-player games? I mean
wouldn't it be a lot less hassle if they made just single player games?
After all, user experience is paramount. In a single player game, we don't
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Mike Munoz wrote:
The Silence from Valve is deafening...
Mike ParaDOX
www.paradisesgarage.com
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
Chris, your right we seem to hash and rehash a lot of the same complaints
here regularly. I just wish we knew if any of these complaints ever gets
acted upon.
Jason
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Sent: Monday, October
[The-/iller] Said:
they have to find the best way to bash us
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I think they have, let us bash each other...
Mike ParaDOX
www.paradisesgarage.com
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Jason O. Washburn wrote:
Chris, your right we seem to hash and rehash a lot of the same complaints
here regularly. I just wish we knew if any of these complaints ever gets
acted upon.
Jason
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Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that
and the other.
Now they are preventing x,y and z from happening you're all moaning and
whinning like female dogs.
Get some f***ing perspective ffs.
On 10/15/07, Mike
Mike Munoz wrote:
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I think they should at least explain why they decided to not show 24
player servers.
And if its permanent or not.
That's not too much to ask for.
It's their silence in the issue that has people going around and doing
workarounds.
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Valve have spoilt you lot in the past by allowing you to customise this that
and the other.
Now they are preventing x,y
It's in Valves interest to spoil us by allowing us to serve our gaming
communities with varied and unique servers. Learn the history of the games
and the countless mods that have kept those games alive for years.
Glad that you acknowledge that we are all moaning, if a brain donor like
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Is there a voteban option on this mailing list? Lets voteban Chris off this.
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From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:15:12 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers
Why because he has a valid point and you don't want to hear it?
Mike ParaDOX
www.paradisesgarage.com
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DontWannaName!
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:21 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re:
I suppose you would have to complain to Valve. Tell them you don't like me
and that I'm a very nasty person...well probably a nasty person and ask them
what mood they are in. Because they sure as hell don't listen to reasoned
argument.
Chris.
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Why dont you send in a support ticket to valve and take it up with them there
or call them. Either way works for me as long as its not here cause obviously
they are on a break at the moment celebrating what they have been working on
for almost
That would be as useful and as appropriate as me sending you a bunch of
flowers and chocolates.
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Sent: 16 October 2007 00:47
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That can be arranged.
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From: Chris Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:34:51 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam
Yup. You definatly work for Valve support sweetheart. Xxx
:-D
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I think you have major issues... Why would I spend my free time on a Monday
night on here if I was working for Valve? I will actualy put in a nice ticket
so Valve can do somthing about you.
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I think you have major issues... Why would I spend my free time on a Monday
night on here if I was working for Valve? I
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