Thanks!. I understand that the working of LNIL and LCONS constructors
since I'm exploring "llistTheory" for quite some time. To be very clear,
I'm in the process of porting "stream theory" form Isabelle
https://www.isa-afp.org/browser_info/current/HOL/HOL-Library/Stream.html which
is formalized as coinductive "stream":

codatatype (sset: 'a) stream =
  SCons (shd: 'a) (stl: "'a stream") (infixr "##" 65)
for
  map: smap
  rel: stream_all2

 I can see that its datatype is very similar to lazy list (llistTheory)
datatype so rather defining a new type I defined a function that returns
the same 'a llist-typed (lazy) list as given to its input:

∀​​L. Stream L = LFILTER (λ​​n. T) L:

type_of ``stream``;

 ``:α​​ llist -> α​​ llist``:


Later in Isabelle "stream theory", a coinductive set "streams" is defined
based on "stream" datatype as:

coinductive_set
  streams :: "'a set *⇒​​ * 'a stream set"
  for A :: "'a set"
where
  Stream[intro!, simp, no_atp]: "[[a ∈​​ A; s ∈​​ streams A]] ⟹ a ## s
∈​​ streams
A"
end

Using llistTheory functions, I'm able to define a similar function as:

∀​​A. streams A = IMAGE (λ​​a. Stream a) {llist_abs (λ​​n. SOME x) | x ∈​​
A}:

type_of ``streams``;

 ``:('a -> bool) -> 'a llist -> bool``:

However, by using shallow embedding approach, I'm not able to use some
essential properties that are accompanied when a new coinductive datatype
is defined. For instance, if a streams datatype is define, I may have this
property of form:

streams.cases (Isabelle):

a ∈​​ streams A ⇒​​ (? a s. a = a ##s ⇒​*​ a *∈​*​ A *⇒​​* s *∈​​  streams A
 ⇒​​ P) ⇒​​ P

I'm having the issues of defining these types in HOL4. Is there any way
that I can replicate the same in HOL4?


On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 8:49 PM, <michael.norr...@data61.csiro.au> wrote:

> You can probably define a function of that type, but you can’t define a *
> *constructor** of that type for llist.   (Contrast what I’d consider to
> be llist’s standard constructors, LNIL and LCONS. They have types α llist,
> and α -> α llist -> α llist respectively.)
>
>
>
> You said you wanted a stream type, does this mean you want a constructor
> for stream of type
>
>
>
>   (α -> bool) -> α stream
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
> Such a constructor is not recursive, so I can just write
>
>
>
>     Datatype`stream = SetConstructor (α -> bool)`
>
>
>
> The SetConstructor term then has the desired type.
>
>
>
> So I’m afraid I still don’t understand your question.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Waqar Ahmad <12phdwah...@seecs.edu.pk>
> *Date: *Monday, 7 May 2018 at 11:38
> *To: *"Norrish, Michael (Data61, Acton)" <michael.norr...@data61.csiro.au>
> *Cc: *hol-info <hol-info@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Hol-info] Extension of Co-algebraic Datatype
>
>
>
> Thanks for the explanation. Let me state it clearly. Can I write down a
> constructor of type
>
>
>
> (*α​*​*​*​ -> bool) -> *α​*​ llist
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 8:39 PM, <michael.norr...@data61.csiro.au> wrote:
>
> I think you may be able to make your needs more precise by explicitly
> considering what your co-algebra would be.
>
>
>
> In particular, write down the type of the “general” destructor
>
>
>
>   myType -> F(myType)
>
>
>
> For lazy lists, this is
>
>
>
>   α llist -> (α # α llist) option
>
>
>
> For the co-algebraic numbers it’s
>
>
>
>   num -> num option
>
>
>
> For arbitrarily (but finite)-branching trees, it’s
>
>
>
>   Tree -> Tree list
>
>
>
> (If you change list to llist you get possibly infinitely branching trees.)
>
>
>
> In the lazy lists, this destructor might be called “HDTL”; in the numbers,
> it’s “predecessor”; in the trees it’s “children”.  Because the types are
> co-algebraic each might be iterable an infinite number of times.  (The
> corresponding destructors in the algebraic types are always well-founded.)
>
>
>
> What are the co-algebras for your desired types?  I don’t think I’ve
> understood what you want, but it superficially appears as if you want
> dependent types, where you combine the type with some term-level predicate.
> That sort of thing is impossible to capture within a HOL type.
>
>
>
> Finally, I’m afraid that there is no general tool for defining
> co-algebraic types in HOL4 at the moment.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Waqar Ahmad via hol-info <hol-info@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Reply-To: *Waqar Ahmad <12phdwah...@seecs.edu.pk>
> *Date: *Sunday, 6 May 2018 at 11:58
> *To: *hol-info <hol-info@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Cc: *Waqar Ahmad <waqar.ah...@seecs.edu.pk>
> *Subject: *[Hol-info] Extension of Co-algebraic Datatype
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Lately, I've been exploring the HOL4 lazy list theory "llistTheory", which
> is developed based on the co-algebraic datatype. I understand that the
> datatype *'a llist  *is derived as a subset of  the option type * :num ->
> 'a option. * Now, I want to define a new datatype based on datatype 'a
> llist. For instance,
>
>
>
> P of  'a llist
>
>
>
> such that *P: 'a llist -> 'a stream*, where *'a stream* is essentially
> the similar datatype as *'a llist*  but having different properties. In
> shallow embedding, I can define it by using filter function of llistTheory
> as:
>
>
>
>
>
> val Stream = Define `Stream L =  LFILTER (\n:'a. T) L`;
>
>
>
> One way of defining the co-inductive datatype *stream* is to follow the
> same procedure as described in "llistTheory", which is quite cumbersome. Is
> there any alternate way similar to that of package "Hol_datatype"?
>
>
>
> Secondly, Is it possible to define a co-inductive datatype that takes a
> set type (:'a -> bool) and maps it to a set of type (:'a llist -> bool)? A
> similar function, in shallow embedding, I can think of is:
>
>
>
> val streams_def = Define
>
> `streams A = IMAGE (\a. Stream a) {llist_abs x | x IN A} `;
>
>
>
> where the function streams is of type (:num -> 'a option) ->bool -> 'a
> llist-> bool
>
>
>
> In some cases, the function *streams* doesn't suffice for modeling the
> correct behavior of streams related properties..
>
>
>
> Any suggestion or thoughts would be highly helpful...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Waqar Ahmad, Ph.D.
> Post Doc at Hardware Verification Group (HVG)
> Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Concordia University, QC, Canada
> Web: http://save.seecs.nust.edu.pk/waqar-ahmad/
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