Re: [Hol-info] An infinite sum of 0 or 1 is finite, then ...

2019-03-03 Thread Chun Tian (binghe)
Thanks, my problem has been resolved using inductions. I'm actually using extrealTheory. All I have for the necessary and sufficient condition of a suminf being PosInf is the following: [ext_suminf_eq_infty] Theorem ⊢ ∀f. (∀n. 0 ≤ f n) ∧ (∀e. e < PosInf ⇒ ∃n. e ≤ ∑ f

Re: [Hol-info] An infinite sum of 0 or 1 is finite, then ...

2019-03-01 Thread Haitao Zhang
I assume you are using the theory from src/real/seqScript.sml and it looks like that summable is defined as a convergence of partial sums. That means you should be able to directly contradict the convergence criterion if (f n) does not go to 0. For example, SER_CAUCHY gives you: “!f. summable f =

Re: [Hol-info] An infinite sum of 0 or 1 is finite, then ...

2019-03-01 Thread Chun Tian (binghe)
Hello Mr. Saitoh, 1. I'm not professor, I'm first-year PhD. 2. your recent behaviors on Isabelle and HOL's mailing list have hurt the reputation of Japanese (or even Asian) researchers. 3. I'm not interested in your paper - actually I'm against any arithmetic with division-by-zero. So please

Re: [Hol-info] An infinite sum of 0 or 1 is finite, then ...

2019-03-01 Thread Saburou Saitoh
Dear Professors Tian and Zhang: I am very interesting your communication on summable, however, I would like to read them carefully. We got a new idea; the area of disc with radius r is of course \pi r^2, however for r = infinity; in the entire plane, its area is zero!!. I will send some related

Re: [Hol-info] An infinite sum of 0 or 1 is finite, then ...

2019-03-01 Thread Chun Tian (binghe)
there’s is a typo in my previous post. I wanted to ask “…, why f must *not* be summable?” (i.e. divergent) On a second thought, your approach could work for proving the partial sum is unbounded: for any real number e > 0, I can first use Archimedean property (simple version) of reals to find an

Re: [Hol-info] An infinite sum of 0 or 1 is finite, then ...

2019-03-01 Thread Chun Tian (binghe)
Hi Haitao, thanks, and yes, f is a sequence of reals. I'm following a similar path (proof by contradiction), but I don't understand the last step: for any m, the partial sum of f goes up by 1 at n > m, why f must be summable? I think for every monotonic sequence such properties hold. --Chun Il

Re: [Hol-info] An infinite sum of 0 or 1 is finite, then ...

2019-03-01 Thread Haitao Zhang
You say f is a function. From the context I assume the domain is Nat or f is a sequence. Mathematically speaking, you should form the partial sums of f ( sum f from 1 to n), which is a monotonic sequence of nats. Now proof by contradiction: if your conclusion doesn’t hold, for any m, you can find

[Hol-info] An infinite sum of 0 or 1 is finite, then ...

2019-03-01 Thread Chun Tian (binghe)
Hi, I'm blocked at the following goal: I have a function f returning either 0 or 1. Now I know the infinite sum of f is finite, i.e. suminf f < PosInf (or `summable f` speaking reals) How can I prove the set of {x | f x = 1} is finite, or after certain index m all the rest f(n)