Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

2017-10-26 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 03:53:32PM -0700, james woodyatt wrote: > The protocols we are developing here in HOMENET are for the tiny > minority of people who prefer to build their own home networks instead In that case, we're wasting effort. "The tiny minority" can just take an OpenWRT box,

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

2017-10-26 Thread Michael Richardson
james woodyatt wrote: > Moreover, I don't believe there are any ISPs that are interested in the > "My Friendly ISP" model at this time. And I would further contend that > the word "friendly" is doing some rather Orwellian political work in > that construction.

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

2017-10-26 Thread james woodyatt
On 10/26/2017 11:39 AM, Gert Doering wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:32:44AM -0700, james woodyatt wrote: Accordingly, I strongly recommend that HOMENET dispense with the "My Friendly ISP" model with extreme prejudice, and adopt what I shall call the "HOMENET Castle Doctrine" as a matter of

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

2017-10-26 Thread Ted Lemon
On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Gert Doering wrote: > "Normal" People just don't buy a second router for their ISP link if they > already have one, or a 3rd and 4th one if they happen to have two ISP > links. Yup. This is why Google Home, Apple Home, Amazon Echo, Eero, Ubiquiti,

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

2017-10-26 Thread David Oran
On 26 Oct 2017, at 14:39, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:32:44AM -0700, james woodyatt wrote: Accordingly, I strongly recommend that HOMENET dispense with the "My Friendly ISP" model with extreme prejudice, and adopt what I shall call the "HOMENET Castle Doctrine" as a

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

2017-10-26 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:32:44AM -0700, james woodyatt wrote: > Accordingly, I strongly recommend that HOMENET dispense with the "My > Friendly ISP" model with extreme prejudice, and adopt what I shall call > the "HOMENET Castle Doctrine" as a matter of working group policy. I claim that

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

2017-10-26 Thread james woodyatt
On 10/26/2017 08:22 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >On 10/24/2017 07:00 AM, Gert Doering wrote: >> I find the model of "there is a CPE, and behind that CPE, I connect another router to get homenet functionality" a bit unsatisfactory. I think there are two possible deployment models. 1. The «

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

2017-10-26 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> I find the model of "there is a CPE, and behind that CPE, I connect > another router to get homenet functionality" a bit unsatisfactory. I think there are two possible deployment models. 1. The « My Friendly ISP » model Every ISP-provided CPE participates in HNCP. Each ISP has access to all

Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

2017-10-26 Thread Michael Richardson
james woodyatt wrote: >> >> [...] and also what may or may not be good to include in requirements >> specifically targeting routers at the customer's edge (CE). > I think it's a waste of time for HOMENET to propose requirements for > routers in service