Hi Loren,
Interesting point. I oil my valves more for a prventative maintance standpoint
3 times a week. Valves have just been rebuilt and are hyper tight, like I want
them.? Will try oiling just 2 times a week and see what hapens.
Thanks,
Mark
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From: Loren Mayhew
Hi Gretchen,
]Thanks for the detailed reply. I to use no 5 wt on upper and lower valve
bearings, Holten rotor oil down the slide tubes to oil the internal rotor
surfaces. I'll try the Fat Cat grease on the slides.
BR,
Mark
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From: gretchenz...@gmail.com
To: The Horn
Thanks Hans, will go to oiling the valves less.
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From: Prof.Hans Pizka h...@pizka.de
To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu
Sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 2:01 am
Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Slide Grease
Your problem, Mark, is it that you oil the valves too often. If the
One other point: avoid using grease containing anhydrous lanolin. It's
really rendered sheep fat (which has a biologic source) and supports
the growth of stuff inside your horn where it is warm and damp--
conditions which bacteria really like.
Sincerely,
martin bender
On 3-Mar-09, at
Any suggestions for a long lasting slide grease.? I have tried gun
grease;
Selmer Slide/Cork Grease; GOO Tuning valve slide lube; Schilke Slide Grease
w lanolin; all Hetman types; STP. Nothing lasts more than a week w the
Holton Rotary valve oil I use.
I'd like to offer a different view. My
From: Martin Bender em...@magma.ca
To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 8:13:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease
...It's really rendered sheep fat (which has a biologic source) and supports
the growth of stuff inside your horn where it is warm and damp--
Agree about the loose slide theory, based on two horns that I use, one
with loose slides and the other with tight slides. The former requires
more frequent applications of slide grease than the latter.
Presumably, the valve oil is able to seep over the sliding surface and
decompose the slide
Why do slides get loose ? Because of too much polishing. Basta.
I have used one horn from 1989 to 1999 extensively, means about 300
services in my orchestra/year plus all the other gigs concerts solo
work, but the slides are as tight as on the first day, even the two
tuning slides are not loose,
Yeah, sheep sweat, not sheep fat! ;-)
But let me point out that the copper salts in the tubing of your horn
are an *extremely* effective antimicrobial. There is not much
growing in there, I'd wager.
Carlisle
-professional biologist and very amateur horn player who uses Bag
Balm
But a horn that has been played continuousely since 1930 (as many have)
is a different story, especially if the slides and receivers are brass
and not nickel.
Tom Reicher
Partner
Cooley Godward Kronish LLP * 101 California Street * 5th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94111-5800
Direct: 415/693-2381
Check out the wikipedia entry on lanolin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanolin
I find the lanolin combines with the condensation inside the horn and
creates an emulsion that make the horn gurgle and is difficult to remove
without cleaning the horn with a good solvent (soap) and brush.
About
Hans wrote: What kind of junk horns are
they playing ?
The new Conn horns are very poorly made and the slides don't work smoothly
even when brand new! Junk!
Luke Zyla
Paxman Model 20L (Great slides!)
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From: hans.pi...@t-online.de
To: The Horn List
Hello Jeremy,
Thanks for your comments and I completely agree.
The digital world can allow some HACK to put something together.
Give me live performance, live broadcast/recordings !!
I want to hear the tenor strain and the soprano scream.
I even want to hear those horn clams :) (but not too
Is?it really true that the rotor surfaces do not touch the sides of the valve
casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside the valve?
message: 8
date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:55:49 -0500
from: Luke Zyla lz...@suddenlink.net
subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil
?
Check out the
There are only two bearings on rotor valves. The rotor surfaces do not
touch the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside
the valve. Adding oil inside the valve only creates a mess that must be
cleaned out or diluted by adding more and more oil. Start by removing the
It is true (or should be at least, given the quality of the horn).
However, there are a few other factors.
Foreign contaminants can get into the instrument (cheeseburger, sugar,
dust, dirt, hair, and other debris) and adhere to the valve surface.
This often accounts for the scratching sound
Quoting Hans Pizka:
Thank you. Nice to find Bruno Jaenicke with Mendelssohns Nocturno. Nice
vibrato but quite fast tempo.
That's because they crammed this onto one side of a twelve-inch (30
cm. to you!) 78 rpm disc. The recording runs well over four minutes,
which is very rare for a 78.
Why do slides get loose ? Because of too much polishing. Basta.
I have used one horn from 1989 to 1999 ... but what the hell are so many doing
withtheir horns, that the slides get loose What kind of junk horns are they
playing ?
The first two horns I played on were close to new single
Quoting Jeremy Cucco:
In Kendall's example, he was doing it for a jingle. I suppose the recording
engineer could be spared his life for the travesty of auto-tuning a horn
player, but only this once.
Well, and it's also a jingle, not Op. 131. I'd go with fast, cheap,
and expedient on a
Mark,
I returned last year from a stint as Director of the Royal Guard of Oman
Military School of Music. My annual budget included a search for slide
grease that didn't melt in temperatures of 50 Celsius. This one has no
maker's name only the following:
Grease
Ultra-Heavy
for Tuning Slides
I've been enjoying a lot of those Toscanini performances on YouTube lately. I
was a little surprised by Jaenicke's phrasing on the Nocturne where he breathes
after the D# (played). I had always thought of that note as a pickup to the
next part of the phrase. The more I listen to it, the more
I dunno, I've been using anhydrous lanolin since 1975. My horn doesn't
stink, no green stuff growing. It lasts a long time on the slides. My valves
are fast.
I don't put any oil down the slide tubes. If you do, don't put more than a
single drop in each valve. More than that
Best plan is to keep your horn clean and never take it to any idiot
repairmen.
I'll second that. My valves had been getting a bit slow lately, so
I've just spent an hour washing the horn through with soapy water,
especially getting it into the valve rotors, and then re-oiling the
valves
Luke Zyla lz...@suddenlink.net wrote:
subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Grease and valve oil
About oiling the valves.
There are only two bearings on rotor valves. The rotor surfaces do not
touch the sides of the valve casing, so it in not necessary to oil inside
the valve. Adding oil inside the
Jeremy wrote:
In Kendall's example, he was doing it for a jingle. I suppose the recording
engineer could be spared his life for the travesty of auto-tuning a horn
player, but only this once.
Actually, he auto-tuned everybody that day. Even the trombones were in
tune! I still wonder if
Just a short note from the iPhone...
If an engineer places 15 - 20 mics for a traditional orchestra, he's a
bona fide idiot. For something like Beethoven 7 or Brahms 1, 4-6 mics
should be all that is required in a good hall. This is diiferent if
it's an outdoor concert and they need
All we like sheep???
Maybe you mean: Sheep May Safely Grease
I tried Bag Balm only once. In a few days, my horn stunkith mightily
and I had to clean it out else I swoon.
David Goldberg
Steven Mumford wrote:
I dunno, I've been using anhydrous lanolin since 1975. My horn doesn't stink,
Valve rebuild needed?
A knowledgeable horn player tried my horn recently and said it sounded like
there may be a leak. He felt like there was tone missing when playing the
horn. I wondered if my valves might be leaky and later pulled out each valve
(B flat and F horn) to see if there was a pop.
Leslie lesliemantr...@optonline.net wrote:
Fortunately there WAS a pop.
However, on about three or four of the slides, there was also a hiss
following the pop. Does this mean I need to get my values rebuilt?
When you pull either a F or Bb valve slide, if the other slide on that
value is
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