William G offered this comment on Health Care
Conductor induced head injuries? Horn players that walk off stage
after some particularly stoopid comment from a conductor and beat
their head against the wall to gain some relief, thus incurring
additional injury?
Again, I hope you
. Thanks.
Gotta go,
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My Concerto for Brass Trio and Orchestra starts with a wood block solo.
And my Concertini for Toy Piano and Orchestra starts with a cello solo.
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Lawrence Y offered:
My dad worked in factory governed by similar health and safety regulations
-
the had to wear face-masks and special clothing.
On the days the inspectors came the masks and clothes were taken out of the
cupboard and the workers put them on. As soon as the inspectors left,
Martin B offered praise of Laurence Y, writing
Dear Lawrence,
I appreciate you... in fact, my appreciation is immeasurable;
regretfully, I was unable to put a dollar figure to it ;-).
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I think the word that best expresses the full extent of
our appreciation of Lawrence is invaluable,
Hans P wrote
Gustav Mahler was probably the first using many between metronomes
and the between dynamics and the exaggerated expression,
probably so to produce unnecessary kitsch like bad anti-tasty
posters. But I do not think, he meant that. Or does this exaggeration
come
by the reproducing
Professor Cabbage will be visiting Boston the
weekend of May 2 and 3. He has graciously
accepted numerous requests not to speak on
the physics of music. He will bring his horn to
a concert by Cantilena, a women's chorus which
is performing in Arlington Sunday evening, May 3.
The concert
Lawrence Y wrote
Success Carl! (You haven't changed continent
just to send us a message have you?)
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No, Lawrence, Carl is still home, as in continent as ever.
Gotta go,
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Loren M writes
It seems that 2-letter abbreviations work for state and country
abbreviations, 3-letter abbreviations are sufficient worldwide for
baggage claim tickets, but orchestras need 4-letter abbreviations.
That is why my orchestra is abbreviated SASO (Southern Arizona
Symphony
Ken P wrote:
I was talking with a friend of mine who plays in the Cincinnati =
Symphony, and listening to him describe the best horn he ever let go...
=
(a Paxman descant) - and suddenly realized that I had his
'lost love' of a horn in my shop currently for sale! He was very =
excited and had
During the next two weeks, list members will enjoy two opportunities to
miss Professor Cabbage deliver his overly familiar talk on the physics of
brass musical instruments. The first will be this Wednesday evening,
March 25, in San Marcos, California, wherever that is. Then on Friday,
April
Prof Cabbage will take his road show up the
Peninsula to speak on the physics of
brass instruments at Stanford's Center for
Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA)
at 1PM, Friday, Feb 27. Uninterested parties
will also be able to miss talks he will be giving
on Wednesday, March 25, at Cal State
7 PM Wednesday
February 11
Mt View Performing Art Center
Valentine from Quadre and Friends
The horn quartet Quadre will be joined by
a flute quartet Aeron, flute soloist Molly Barth,
and choruses from two local high schools and two
middle schools for a concert of new music.
Two of the pieces
Kjellrun H wrote:
Good advice.
I remember a teacher I had as a kid preparing me for a recital. As I
played, he wandered around the room, knocking over trash cans, dropping
books, etc.
*
My teacher did this too. As a result, my horn playing is so intensely
focussed that I can knock
Steve B wrote
I seem to remember in one of the Radio Lab stories a mention of how
many of=
the great composers had perfect pitch (and what of synethsesia?).
*
I don't know if this is the program you mean, but Radio Lab
ran a fascinating piece involving absolute pitch. Evidently
Hans P wrote:
That´s the reason, why I published Auf dem Strom in E, Eb, D C
Then Dan H wrote:
That's good, Hans, I should have ordered it from you. Do you think Schubert
would mind all these different keys? Why did he pick E? There are supposed
to be certain moods associated with certain
Hans P wrote about Amahl and the Night Visitors:
Hello Howard, just play the low D very soft. There will not be any
difference. ... At this low note low dynamic there is no distinction in the
sound. The composer either wanted it very soft or did use the con sord.
markings only, because it
Steve F wrote:
I just played through the Haydn trumpet concerto's slow movement up a step,
in concert Bb, and think it sits really nicely for me on the horn now. I'm
playing the entire concerto accompanying my son and it would be a real hoot
for me to play it on the horn, but I need the music,
Lawrence Y wrote:
It's for horn, violin and piano and it's hard! (for all three players)
Last time I played it we had a cellist in tow to play trios in the rest of
the programme.
If you play have similar forces and want an encore I have an arrangement
(very corny) of the Brahms Lullaby for
Robert D wrote:
Brahms did play horn a bit His posthumous horn etudes
are interesting too by the way, I've been playing them a bit lately for
curiousity.
*
I looked these over and decided not to play
them until after I'm dead, as Brahms intended.
Not gone yet,
Cabbage
Jesse W wondered:
I am having no success finding this book. Does anyone know if it is still
in print or where I could find a copy?
Thanks in advance.
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Osmun has about half this book on line at his web site.
We need to encourage him to put up the other half.
List members are sure to be anxious to miss the
premier of the latest composition of Prof. Cabbage:
Amherst Requiem, an hour-long ditty for soprano
solo, chorus, children's chorus, and large orchestra.
(The piece contains the usual Latin mass for the
dead, plus nine poems of Emily Dickinson,
Lawrence Y wondered
Would anyone like to offer an opinion as to whether the horn parts in the
Brahms Violin Concerto should be played on valved or natural horns.
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Yes, they should.
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Steve H wrote
The pp of Tchaikovsky could seem to be
a request to play at a level outside the usual frame of orchstral
dynamics, so that the listener will hear the extreme piano as
something that an orchestra would not normally do, outside the
reference scale of what has been heard elsewhere
Steve F wrote
Today's fun with ear-training and your French Horn:
Take a simple duet - mine was #4 from the Pottag, Book 1 - and sit down at
the piano with your horn in your lap.
Top Part: Play on the piano with your right hand.
Bottom Part: Play on your horn, balanced however you can (I had
Leonard Peggy B wrote
I just came across an old program. Anyone wish to guess where this was?
The artists are listed as:
Anton Horner
Arthur Berv
James Chambers
Phil Farkas
Carl Geyer
John Barrows
Wendell Hoss
Max Pottag
and
Barry Tuckwell
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It was probably in the bottom of a box under
Michiel vdL wrote
Actually en dehors means just the opposite. It means bring out,
emphasize. No need to mute, but quite the opposite.
So I stick the wide end of my mute into the bell? Cool!
and Peter H wrote
We are talking a satyr-like creature and not Bambi here (Cabbage,
Loren M wrote
nobody has been able to teach me to curl my tongue.
Can't do it. No way. Nor can I wiggle my ears, but my dad can.
*
Tell us, Loren, exactly how does your dad wiggle your ears?
Gotta go,
Cabbage
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John S wrote
Knowing what pitch one plays before doing so really helps increase one's
accuracy. Arnold Jacobs said that his seven years of solgege at Curtis was
his most valuable music course. Eldon's comments on focus are dead on.
How true, John! I never went to Curtis, but thanks to
Valerie wrote
I didn't like the noise of 300 horn players playing every excerpt they
knew triple forte on every horn they picked up. Shish, what a headache!
Yes, Valerie. Now try to imagine what it must be like to be an exhibitor,
required to sit by your table all week, thus missing
Chris T wrote
Getting a new mouthpiece cold turkey can be a daunting experience
especially if you don't readily have access to a plethora of different
pieces.
Too daunting for me, Chris. Though I admit that cold turkey
feels nice and comfy on the lips, these mouthpieces don't
Hans P wrote
Rehearsing a Mahler part at 1 am seems to be insane anyway. People doing this
should better stay in a home for mentally disturbed. Why aren´t they able to
organize their time (practise) during normal hours not after mid-night ???
*
Sorry Hans, but we were busy during
Jeremy C gave us advice about how to improve the acoustics
of your practice room.
1 - do not use egg-cartons. They won't work. They don't work.
2 - don't just buy any old sound foam. Not all sound foams are made
equally. If you think it's dramatically cheaper than any of the brands
I listed
Steve F wrote:
Please forgive a remark which might be seen by some as off-color, but
I expect Cabbage to tell us he played with himself --- meaning with a
mouthpiece made of cabbage, of course.
*
I recently gave my physics of music talk at a local middle school.
I concluded with a
David M wrote
The other day I went to update my page on the hornplayer.net teacher's l=
isting. I updated the material and clicked 'submit'. Ever since then m=
y listing has disappeared, and it not visible. I checked to see if my a=
ccount was still active, and it is - I even see the new
Hans Pizka wrote
Next time somebody might ask, if a black dress is better suited
to produce a darker sound than a greydress ??? No end for curiosity.
*
So, Hans, tell us, which did you prefer
to wear while playing the Long Call?
Gotta go,
Cabbage
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Wondering what's for
Professor Cabbage will once again take his show on the road,
sharing with the general populace his expertise on the
physics of brass musical instruments. The talk is at
4PM Friday, May 2. The place is the Department
of Physics at Cal Poly Pomona. There are a couple of
effective ways to miss
Three chorus pieces of mine have just been published by
William Thorpe. None has a horn in it; but if any hornlisters
are connected with a suitable chorus, I would be glad to
send copies free.
A Christmas Lullaby, Treble chorus (SA) and piano
Poem: Eleanor Farjeon
I shall keep singing!,
Larry J wrote
Thanks, Cabbage, for sharing your son's musical
success with us. His innovative use of the horn in a
rock band is worth listening to. Again, the site:
http://www.myspace.com/themumlers
Listen to the piece, Red River Hustle, to hear how
the horn eases into the mood of the song.
Jeremy H wrote
Dear folks, I am going away Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. I have posted a
sheet with slots for half-hour lessons tomorrow. Please try to find a slot
that will work for you.
*
Hey Jeremy!
I am on the road too, so I cannot attend any lessons. Please sign me
up for
I bought a Schmid horn for my son, a younger Cabbage,
when he was a horn major. When he switched to Creative
Arts, I grabbed the Schmid, and he ended up with my Yamaha.
His rock band, the Mumlers, was signed by an independent
label. They released their first CD recently. You can hear
his
Ron wondered:
When Mozart and Strauss wrote their horn concertos, did the orchestrations
or the piano parts come first.
How did the composers write it down and did someone else later condense the
orchestration to piano or orchestrate the piano part? How did it evolve?
**
Hey Ron, you
Hans P wrote
Why do we become so stupid, to mount the horse
backwards again with modern compositions for natural
horn implementing all different keys notes ?
It's not stupidity, Hans. I mean, not at all. Really. It's just
that the damn horse was pointed in the wrong
The learned Prof C wrote
Even if your horn has a conical bore, just install an
Amado key or two, and you won't have to worry about
wah wah any more.
to which Paxmaha, ever eager for knowledge, responded:
Cabbage- do you know of any valve that will help when
the player has to go wah-wah at an
Valerie offered
This discussion is interesting. I read that the euphonium has conical
valve slides. When you pull a valve slide it can only be replaced to it's
original position (not tuning link). It can't be reversed like standard
valve slides because one end is larger than the other. I
For those in the San Francisco Bay area:
My Concerto for Brass Trio and Orchestra will be
performed by the San Jose State University Symphony
Orchestra in a week, Tuesday, March 11, at 7:30 PM
in the Concert Hall of the Music Building. In response to
overwhelming demand, I have agreed not to
Nice horn.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=270215855228;
ssPageName=STRK
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Cabbage
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Chris T wondered
I can't seem to find the wrench for my flipper anywhere. If I wanted to get
a replacement at a hardware store, what size should I look for?
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local hardward store. It measures about 200 feet wide
and about 150 deep
The peripatetic Professor took his road show to a local
middle school last week, where he gave six sessions on
the physics of brass instruments to all the science
classes. He performed the first movement of
Beethoven's Sontata Op. 17 on natural horn; it
is possible that this was not the most
Steve F wrote
I agree with Jeremy. Although I'm no great shakes as a horn player, my son
also told me the same thing - he couldn't stop the horn. I frankly forget
exactly what his reasons were - hand too big, perhaps, or perhaps something
else.
My son's hands and mine are almost exactly the
Hans P wrote
Wouldn't a large brass ensemble ruin the intimate character
of the Evening Prayer ? Is there no self restriction
left any more ? Why not arranging a Joseph Haydn
Stringquartett for a Tuba Octet, because it is a SOO
GREAT PIECE
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Wow, Hans, send me a copy of your
Someone wondered
with this discussion of the different types of the American sound
What school would you say is the true sound that represents that
American Horn Sound?
***
I would vote for the school of Kendall Betts, the Roger Clemens
of the horn, though KB achieved his
Wendell R wrote
Just a small point.
Shouldn't that be No way Hosé
Sincerely,
Wendell Rider
You'ré right, Wéndéll.
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Brad G offered
Hi everyone. I am brand new to the horn list, and am certainly looking
forward to being an active member from now on.
*
Hi Brad. Now that you have been officially Cabbaged, you may find
your anticipated pleasure at contributing to the horn list
is mixed with some
John D wondered
I commute an hour and 15 minutes each way to work every day. Recently,
I cut a piece of hose to be pitched in F. Now on my way to work I can
warm-up and do a series of slurring and tonguing exercises on the hose
horn. It has changed my life for the better.
I have a question
John D wondered
[Q] Tonight I was sitting in my easy chair with my left arm on the arm
rest,and I played for a couple of hours with no shake at all and no hint of
a shake.
My question is this: Is there a commercial product out there that one can
rest their arm on while playing? The weakness
Kendall B wrote
always BTSOOI (Blow The Stuff (polite translation) Out Of It) keeping the
resistance of the equipment consistent throughout the note and dynamic
ranges.
I know this sounds simple, and in a way it is.
Then Howard S. wondered:
This may sound--and be--simple to some,
Fred wrote
Also re oil, it is worth
considering that while oil sells currently for around
$96/barrel, that is equivalent to around 66 euros - back in
January 2001 there was rough parity between the two
currencies (1 euro = 0.94 dollars), so the rapid price rise
of oil in US dollars since that
Rafael A wrote
Please sorry but my english Sucks
*
Au contraire, my friend: you seem to have achieved a
totally awesome command of the expressive nuances
of the English language.
Gotta go,
Cabbage
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Hornlisters living in the SF Bay area have an opportunity
to miss two events of cruciferous significance.
The first event is the premier of the Professor's
latest composition, Death's Jest-Book Overture, commissioned
by the Mission Chamber Orchestra. This will be
performed in San Jose on
Larry Y offered
May I draw the attention of the list to the result of this evening's rugby
match between the national teams of France and England.
May I take this opportunity to congratulate the ** who came a good
second.
You may and you may. However, I have taken the liberty of
Gary wrote
Well, I could get into the biofilter buss and patch
in a molecular matrix reader. That's no problem. But
the waveform modulator will be overloaded without a
regerneration limiter in the first-stage circuit.
If you used a triple horn, Gary, none of this would be necessary.
Alon R wrote
A student of mine is about to put braces on her teeth.
Does any one have any Idea about expected difficulties and solutions ?
*
If your student isn't trained orthodontist, she should give
serious thought to hiring a competent professional to put
the braces on her teeth,
Anne M wrote
I,also, was very impressed with music on NPR here the evening of
Friday,the 28th. The Boston Symphony did the Brahms First, always a
favorite with me,maybe due to the wonderful horn parts! Anyway, the
very exposed solo horn was just outstanding. It was like hearing them
for the
Bear W was ...
... curious. Just what ever happened to the FIRST
Memphis Horn List? No, I don't mean the one in Memphis
Tennessee these days, I mean the one in Ancient Egypt. I'm
thinking that maybe after constantly getting scalded on the
hands and lips, from holding Horns in 130=BAF(55=BAC)
Ed G never wrote:
Suddenly all posts from this hornlist have stopped coming. I'm sending
this one as a test to see if the problem lies with my computer, with the
hornlist or, if possibly everyone on this list has suddenly gone on
vacation.
Sorry Ed, none of us got this post either.
Larry wrote:
There's not a mute out there that can transpose a single note! I don't
understand why there is all this hypothetical conjecture on the list about
what mutes can do.
And Valerie answered
No, Larry, you're wrong. Haven't you seen the U-tube video of the stone
lined straight mute
Wendell R wrote:
Carl (Geyer) always said that a good mouthpiece should whistle.
And Herb F responded
Whistle how? Any mouthpiece will whistle if you plug the rim with your palm
and
blow across the other end.
***
Novices on the hornlist should be aware that it helps to remove
Reba McL wrote
I dropped a metronome on mine.
***
Bad idea, Reba, bad idea! It's more effective to leave
your METRONOME on the chair (preferably near the
edge) so that someone will drop their horn on it.
Gotta go,
Cabbage
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Herbert Foster wrote
Then there's the idiot (me) that drops his mute on your horn.
Fortunately my DePolis mute is soft, and the repair only cost me $15.
In my experience, soft mutes are pretty
cheap to repair. Any damage to the horn?
Gotta go,
Cabbage
Jeremy C wrote:
Wouldn't you agree Howard that a Lawson, a Paxman and an 8D in a section
would indeed be a section of BIG horns? This is what I intend by
saying it's 8D country. (Or at least partly what I intend - to me, the
term 8D is much like the term Kleenex When you blow your nose, you
After Carlberg J wrote
A mouthpiece it is collection of a number of mouthpieces of varying
sizes and shapes.
Lawrence Y responded
I thought a mouthpiece kit was a lump of iron ore, a box of
matches and a file.
No, Larry, you confused the mouthpiece kit with the horn kit.
Gotta
Herb F contributed this:
You can get the effect of the Accousticoil for free by
wrapping some thin insulated wire around a thick pencil.
Make a loose spiral about 1 inch in length. I haven't tried
an Accousticoil, but the wire spiral does have an effect.
*
You will also notice a
After Steve B wrote
The ending pitch level would have been more of a distraction, I
suspect, than to have fudged along the way.
Daniel C was confused:
I'm sorry, my English is not good enough that I can clearly
understand this sentence; would you mind to explain?
No need to
Mark S wrote
I thought that if the chords were within a tonality, you would end up in
the same place, because each note has a spot and for the most part when you
go
from chord to chord playing just intervals each chord remains in just
intonation.
It's not that easy. This is
Joeg Horn G
...I think the insensitivity of the modern western ear to 'just' or 'pure'
intonation has everything to do with the dominance of modern fixed pitch
instruments (including fretted stringed instruments) and nothing to do with a
lack of
tonality or excess of dissonance.
Hans P wondered
Hello again, Evan,
How do you move the notes away from their place ?
***
Just swat them with a newspaper. Eventually, all
you have to do is wave the newpaper, and the notes
will go where they are supposed to. Of course, this
modern on-line generation barely knows
(not joke-related)
I have a niece who lives in NYC and would like to return
to horn playing. I would appreciate receiving some helpful
hints about where/how to look for used, playable horns
in NYC.
gotta go,
Cabbage
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B Gross wrote
That's the thing about Cabbage contribution you have to read with a thought
in the back of your mind, is this solid information or a creative mind at
work with words?
***
I always try to write contributions that offer
good, salad information. Those who read my
Jeremy C complained:
It's not just a horn thing. I find all too frequently that all I do
anymore is blast. I don't want to, but to balance with the
ever-loudening orchestra, it seems a necessity.
Playing a Mozart concerto recently, the violins were so loud and
aggressive - as if they were
Simple S wrote
I'm still not sure what this as it lies on the horn
means (and no cabbaging please!).
***
Nonsense! Cabbaging always pleases.
gotta go,
Cabbage
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Someone axed:
If a tree falls on an 8D in the forest, and no horn jocks are
around to hear it, does it's sound have more 'core' than a Geyer?
*
It depends. Which one has a bigger first branch: the 8D,
the Geyer, or the tree?
Gotta go,
Cabbage
Steve F wrote
Since we're digressing, allow me to offer skin the cat is an excellent
exercise - hang from a pullup bar or a set of rings, bring your legs up =
and through your arms, continuing to rotate until your torso has basically =
done as much of a full 360 as you can manage safely, then
Jack M opined
I had the pinky ring removed from my horn more than 10 years ago and the
horn has never slipped or dropped, even under the hottest, sweatiest
circumstances. I use a tennis racket grip, which provides plenty of
traction to hold the horn steady.
As an extra benefit,
Bill H offered this:
Many ways to skin a cat, and for our section, the 8D does just fine.
***
I hope you you will fill us in on how to skin a cat with an 8D, Bill.
This is an aspect of horn technique which seems to be missing
from Farkas's book. Alas, I have lost my copy of
Anne M offered the following example of the music reviewer's art:
Her technique was fascinating. She carefully provided a volume
buffer by inserting her hand into the large end of the French horn,
as well as being able to play a vibrato sound through the combination
of pressing the keys and
Steve F wrote about the Cabbage's forthcoming visit to scenic New Jersey:
This brings to mind that Cat Stevens song, Miles From Nowhere. No offense
intended to anyone who lives around there - it's lovely country which I
drive through on a semi-regular basis, although just off an interestate
Der Fliegende Kohl will be transported next
week to New Jersey.After making the obligatory
pilgrimage to Exit 2, to light a candle and prostrate
himself at the birth shrine of I. M. Gestopfmitscheisst,
he will visit Hampton NJ to give his usual talk blah blah
blah on the physics of brass
Joyce R wrote
I've only read the list for a period of months so
I don't yet have a sense of the culture here.
**
That's because you hadn't been cabbaged until just now.
Welcome aboard, Joyce.
gotta go,
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Once you have mastered a two octave leap on the
note A flat, you might want to look at Stanley Weiner's
Horn Concerto, which ends with a two octave glissando
on this note - two octaves down, then two octaves up.
Gotta go,
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David G wrote
(Red Nichol's) father believed that practice
makes perfect and made Red practice the cornet for at least an hour
before breakfast. He rewarded mistakes with a crack on the knuckles.
Red's precision, tone, and mastery of his instrument were developed
early because of his father's
Fred B commented on what Tony S said on TV:
That must have been the AE version - the original HBO version was:
You = $^!*%# lie like I $^!*%# play the $^!*%# french horn.
To avoid offending readers on the hornlist, you should write:
You =$^!*%# lie like I $^!*%#
Carlberg J wrote
So any suggestions on how to break this habit? [lifting a finger off
the valve lever]
I've had good luck with students with a rubber band around the valve
lever and the finger.
Good to be aware of things like this.
Good thinking, Carlberg. Another successful way
Carlberg J wrote
For 45 years I've practiced without a practice mute in hotel rooms
everywhere without a single complaint. Sometimes for hours on end. I
do mention I'll be practicing my horn. My only rule is 9:00 a.m. to
9:00 p.m.
I prefer to practice for less than twelve
Melvin B wondered
A friend of mine once told me, he thought 'Fanfare for the Common
Man' should be arranged for Horn Choir(no trumpets, trombones etc.)
Has this ever been done? Do you think it should be? Is it even
practical?
**
Oh yes,this works very well. However, the
Richard B wondered
Who was Henri Kling?
*
Henri Kling was a celebrated horn designer
who designed an ultra-light horn out of thin
PVC polymer. Although his instruments had
acoustical problems that prevented them from
being played in public, they proved to be
remarkably useful in
Larry J wondered:
Having played nickel silver horns all my life, now I
have a brass horn. Some of the interior piping is
coated with the green copper oxide. If this oxidation
layer is firmly attached (say after cleaning with
detergent and a snake), is it okay to leave?
David G wrote:
I was interested to know if there are any other pieces that have an F#
entrance, especially repetitiously like these.
***
Bruckner's Fourth on a bad day.
Gotta go,
Cabbage
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Bill G invoked my name in explaining
It's a joke, which loses with explanation. eHarmony.com is an internet
based dating service. There are multiple puns at work.
Just think of it as a contribution by Cabbage.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Klaus Bjerre
Hoyer serial numbers from the
William B worte
No one has been rude enough to correct Hans sometime
fractured Engish to my knowledge. Hans should return this
favor and keep his foolish corrections to himself.
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Nonsense. I have corrected him many times, most
notably when he asserted that the mouthpiece
meets
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