Re: [Hornlist] Pictures of compensating horns
There are a few compensating horns marked on this site: http://www.horn-u-copia.net/display.php?selby=where%20instrument="French%20Horn"; I don't know whether the pictures are detailed enough for your purposes, but they generally show both the front and back of the horn so you can see the little slides. Kit > I would appreciate links to pictures of compensating double (or > triple) French Horns - someone asked me about how this works, and I > believe I explained correctly but, as they say, a picture is worth a > thousand words. In particular, something that clearly shows the > little extra sections for the valve slides when the horn is played in > F, as that is the most unique part of the way the things works in my > mind. > > Thanks in advance, and feel free to reply on- or off-list as you wish. > I poked around on the Internet for a while and couldn't find even one > good picture, but I suspect some may be at web sites in languages > other than my own. > > -S- > ___ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/c.j.l.wolf%40newcastle.ac.uk > -- Sometimes my Email program gives the wrong return address. If you have any trouble replying to me, use '[email protected]' and not 'n802...' Sorry for any confusion ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures of compensating horns
Many thanks, Carlberg! -S- On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote: > At 2:26 PM -0500 3/12/09, Steve Freides wrote: >> >> I would appreciate links to pictures of compensating double (or >> triple) French Horns > > http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/FRENCH-HORN-COMPENSATING-DOUBLE-H-ZALZER_W0QQitemZ320288721133QQihZ011QQcategoryZ16215QQcmdZViewItem > - lots of pictures including closeups. > > -- > Carlberg Jones > Skype - carlbergbmug > Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes > Aguascalientes, Ags. > MEXICO > ___ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures of compensating horns
At 2:26 PM -0500 3/12/09, Steve Freides wrote: I would appreciate links to pictures of compensating double (or triple) French Horns http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/FRENCH-HORN-COMPENSATING-DOUBLE-H-ZALZER_W0QQitemZ320288721133QQihZ011QQcategoryZ16215QQcmdZViewItem - lots of pictures including closeups. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Pictures of compensating horns
I would appreciate links to pictures of compensating double (or triple) French Horns - someone asked me about how this works, and I believe I explained correctly but, as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. In particular, something that clearly shows the little extra sections for the valve slides when the horn is played in F, as that is the most unique part of the way the things works in my mind. Thanks in advance, and feel free to reply on- or off-list as you wish. I poked around on the Internet for a while and couldn't find even one good picture, but I suspect some may be at web sites in languages other than my own. -S- ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures
The artist was Viktor Hartmann, an architect and friend of Moussorgsky. Images can be found on the web at various spots, including: http://www.emboscados.com/foro/viewtopic.php?TopicID=2413 http://www.russisches-musikarchiv.de/bilder.htm The resolution isn't high and I don't know how projectable they can be. Good luck, Richard in Seattle Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. wrote: Does anyone know where I could find projectible images of the paintings and drawings on which Moussourgsky based Pictures From an Exhibition? Our woodwind quintet is performing David Thompson's arrangement and would like to project the images during performance. Thanks in advance for any help. Tim ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Pictures
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictures_at_an_Exhibition As the pictorial basis for his musical exhibition, Mussorgsky mostly selected drawings and watercolours that Hartmann had produced during his travels abroad. Sadly, we cannot in all cases be certain which Hartmann work Mussorgsky was alluding to, because not all the paintings and drawings have survived. In an article in The Musical Quarterly in 1939, Alfred Frankenstein claimed to have identified seven pictures by catalogue number of the eleven: Two Jews: Rich, and Poor (two separate drawings became the source of Samuel Goldenberg und Schmuyle), Gnomus, Tuileries (now lost), Ballet of the Unhatched Chicks, Samuel Goldenberg und Schmuyle, Catacombae, The Hut on Hen’s Legs (Baba Yaga), and The Bogatyr Gates. -S- > -Original Message- > From: Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:40 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pictures > > Without doing the process again: > > I have seen reproductions of these paintings on several web > pages. Some in higher resolutions thn others, but always > intended for web or printing. > > If your university has a graphic department, you might use > their skills to make whatever source useable for your purposes. > > Maybe you will have to buy a high-quality music/art magazine > or book to do your own scans. > > Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre > > > --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [Hornlist] Pictures > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 9:30 PM Does anyone > know where I > > could find projectible images of the paintings and drawings > on which > > Moussourgsky based Pictures From an Exhibition? Our > woodwind quintet > > is performing David Thompson's arrangement and would like > to project > > the images during performance. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > > Tim > > > > > > Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. > > Professor of Music > > University of Arkansas at Fayetteville > > > > > > > > ___ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.c > > om > > > > ___ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridays computer.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1678 - Release > Date: 9/18/2008 9:01 AM > ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures
Without doing the process again: I have seen reproductions of these paintings on several web pages. Some in higher resolutions thn others, but always intended for web or printing. If your university has a graphic department, you might use their skills to make whatever source useable for your purposes. Maybe you will have to buy a high-quality music/art magazine or book to do your own scans. Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Hornlist] Pictures > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 9:30 PM > Does anyone know where I could find projectible images of > the > paintings and drawings on which Moussourgsky based Pictures > From an > Exhibition? Our woodwind quintet is performing David > Thompson's > arrangement and would like to project the images during > performance. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Tim > > > Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. > Professor of Music > University of Arkansas at Fayetteville > > > > ___ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yorkmasterbbb%40yahoo.com ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Pictures
Does anyone know where I could find projectible images of the paintings and drawings on which Moussourgsky based Pictures From an Exhibition? Our woodwind quintet is performing David Thompson's arrangement and would like to project the images during performance. Thanks in advance for any help. Tim Timothy F. Thompson, D.M.A. Professor of Music University of Arkansas at Fayetteville ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Pictures of Rampone & Cazzani
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8762/horn007no8.jpg http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7182/horn003mp6.jpg http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3751/horn005nv5.jpg Is the 43 by the valves the serial number? If so, what is the age of the horn? -- Tim Receive Notifications of Incoming Messages Easily monitor multiple email accounts & access them with a click. Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Pictures/Bernst/NYPhil
Does anyone know who the first horn on this recording was? This is the one on the "Great Performances" label. Aleks Ozolins ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition question
Jerry Houston wrote: Greg Campbell wrote: I guess old notation bass clef is "wrong height" since it's written an octave "too low." They're both "wrong," aren't they? One by 4 notes, the other by 5? "right!" ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition question
Jerry Houston wrote: > Greg Campbell wrote: > >> "Real height" meaning that it's "new notation" bass clef. >> >> I guess old notation bass clef is "wrong height" since it's written an >> octave "too low." >> > > They're both "wrong," aren't they? One by 4 notes, the other by 5? > I forgot to add that, except for my Kalison C single, all my horns are pitched "wrong" as well! ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition question
Greg Campbell wrote: > "Real height" meaning that it's "new notation" bass clef. > > I guess old notation bass clef is "wrong height" since it's written an > octave "too low." They're both "wrong," aren't they? One by 4 notes, the other by 5? ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition question
M. Elizabeth Fleming wrote: Prior to orchestra rehearsal today, I was approached by a conducting student with a question in regards to a particular notation in the Ravel orchestration of /Pictures at an Exhibition/: In the first "movement", meaning "Gnomus", there is an indication in the second horn part of "hauteur réelle" above a printed B-flat 2 *stopped* (in the middle of the bass clef). "Real height" meaning that it's "new notation" bass clef. I guess old notation bass clef is "wrong height" since it's written an octave "too low." Greg ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition question
Googling the french phrase cited, came across this hit: http://books.google.com/books?id=jYTiK1bwjqIC&pg=RA1-PA76&lpg=RA1-PA76&dq=ha uteur+r%C3%A9elle+music&source=web&ots=d7gpzc6l8V&sig=Q_ExHKSQqcgPeVFxX8D8Wl VtRfs Within this page, "hauteur reelle" is translated as "the actual pitch". Fred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of M. Elizabeth Fleming Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition question Prior to orchestra rehearsal today, I was approached by a conducting student with a question in regards to a particular notation in the Ravel orchestration of /Pictures at an Exhibition/: In the first "movement", meaning "Gnomus", there is an indication in the second horn part of "hauteur réelle" above a printed B-flat 2 *stopped* (in the middle of the bass clef). My French is a just a tad rusty, but I believe it translates to "real height". Regardless, the only explanation for this indication that I can come up with is indicating a new notation reading of the bass clef. That, or there was some confusion at the time about sounding pitches of stopped tones, and Ravel wanted to indicate that the B-flat should be the tone that sounds (not the tone that is fingered). I apologize for the convoludedness of this message, but hopefully someone more seasoned than I (which includes a good chunk of the readership of this list) will catch my drift and enlighten me, so that I, in turn, may enlighten him. Best, Elizabeth ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40gmail.com ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition question
Prior to orchestra rehearsal today, I was approached by a conducting student with a question in regards to a particular notation in the Ravel orchestration of /Pictures at an Exhibition/: In the first "movement", meaning "Gnomus", there is an indication in the second horn part of "hauteur réelle" above a printed B-flat 2 *stopped* (in the middle of the bass clef). My French is a just a tad rusty, but I believe it translates to "real height". Regardless, the only explanation for this indication that I can come up with is indicating a new notation reading of the bass clef. That, or there was some confusion at the time about sounding pitches of stopped tones, and Ravel wanted to indicate that the B-flat should be the tone that sounds (not the tone that is fingered). I apologize for the convoludedness of this message, but hopefully someone more seasoned than I (which includes a good chunk of the readership of this list) will catch my drift and enlighten me, so that I, in turn, may enlighten him. Best, Elizabeth ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition
I second that, Paul !!! Reminds me of Igor Markevich, who screemed "cuivre, cuivre " & we blew as brassy as possible & he shouted again "Hrns, CUIVRE, CUIVRE !", so I asked him to explain to us what he wanted with "cuivre". His reply: "STOPPING". So you can see, how we suffer under some of these idiots. "De mortuis nihil nisi bene !", as he died meanwhile. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Kampen Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:17 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition Message text written by The Horn List >The conductor sent me an e-mail suggesting the bells up interpretation< Dear All H - reminds me of a time when we were to perform a new production of Puccini's 'Tosca'. On the morning of the first performance, we had a rehearsal for something else and the Tosca conductor walked in, saw that the 1st clarinet was a deputy and said to the manager - "where is K B?" The manager said - "he is at home, ill in bed but do not worry, he said that he would do his best to make it for the show". About five minutes later, the 1st clarinet's telephone rang - it was the Tosca conductor who said - "right, the solo at the beginning of Act 3, I have been thinking about this and in the 3rd bar, 2nd beat on the A flat I want you to.." and that is as far as he got before he received advice as to what he should do in another place; then the phone was slammed down. Sometimes, youv'e just got to tell 'em! Cheers Paul A. Kampen - 4th horn, Orchestra of Opera North (Leeds UK) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition
Message text written by The Horn List >The conductor sent me an e-mail suggesting the bells up interpretation< Dear All H - reminds me of a time when we were to perform a new production of Puccini's 'Tosca'. On the morning of the first performance, we had a rehearsal for something else and the Tosca conductor walked in, saw that the 1st clarinet was a deputy and said to the manager - "where is K B?" The manager said - "he is at home, ill in bed but do not worry, he said that he would do his best to make it for the show". About five minutes later, the 1st clarinet's telephone rang - it was the Tosca conductor who said - "right, the solo at the beginning of Act 3, I have been thinking about this and in the 3rd bar, 2nd beat on the A flat I want you to.." and that is as far as he got before he received advice as to what he should do in another place; then the phone was slammed down. Sometimes, youv'e just got to tell 'em! Cheers Paul A. Kampen - 4th horn, Orchestra of Opera North (Leeds UK) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition
Tell the conductor he or she should take a French/English dictionary at hand. Hauteur = height, reelle = real. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jgschreck Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition Lawrence, I'm sure you are right. The conductor sent me an e-mail suggesting the bells up interpretation, and I wasn't thinking clearly. Thanks again! John Schreckenogst - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition No. Does it not mean "actual pitch" i.e. not an octave up or down? All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition
Hello Lawrence, I would also translate it this way, or more simple in musicians language: "loco" (example: to distinguish between bass clef & old horn bass clef, one octave up & regular). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition No. Does it not mean "actual pitch" i.e. not an octave up or down? All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition
Lawrence, I'm sure you are right. The conductor sent me an e-mail suggesting the bells up interpretation, and I wasn't thinking clearly. Thanks again! John Schreckenogst - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition No. Does it not mean "actual pitch" i.e. not an octave up or down? All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition
No. Does it not mean "actual pitch" i.e. not an octave up or down? All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Pictures at an Exhibition
Does the term hauteur reelle which appears the third measure of 87 in Baba-Yaga mean bells up? John Schreckengost Chicago, IL ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
