[Hornlist] Blue Juice vs. Lamp Oil
My apologies in advance if this comes across with imbedded html code as I am repsonding via web mail. The odorless lamp oil that is sold today is liquid paraffin which is simply what we in the US call kerosene. It is not the same as the family of alkane hydrocarbons which includes paraffin wax and methane, nor is it the same as the medicianl form of liquid paraffin that is commonly known as mineral oil. Just my two cents from the FWIW department. Dana Twiss mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Blue Juice for valves
On 9-Sep-08, at 8:11 PM, Valerie WELLS wrote: I know horn players who use unconventional lubricants on their slides: Bardahl, STP, gun grease, all purpose grease from the hardware store. All of them have horns that perform very well. I've used castor oil for decades. Kjellrun Kjellrun K. Hestekin School of Music Memorial University St. John's, NL Canada A1C 5S7 ph: (709) 737 - 8466 fax 709 737 2666 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Blue Juice for valves
My titallating Blue Juice story: I bought a Yamaha 667 last fall w/ great valves. There was a bottle of Blue Juice included. Hmmm... so I tried the Blue Juice on my Holton's valves & they got faster over the next few weeks (as did my technique). I sold the Yamaha & kept the Blue Juice to use on my Holton. Earlier this year at Walmart, I bought a bottle of Ultra Pure Lamp Oil that was BLUE, exactly the same color as the Blue Juice. I remembered people posting last year about using Walmart Lamp Oil in their horns. I thought they were nuts because I remembered the old lamp oil I'd purchased 15 years ago that smelled so strongly of kerosene it made me dizzy. I didn't think any lamp oils would be safe. BUT, the new blue lamp oil is different; it's odorless, so I decided to try it. My horn valves work great & I'm still alive, and I believe my brain's still in tact. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) Since the Ultra Pure Lamp oil from Walmart looks, feels, smells and lubricates just like Blue Juice and costs just pennies on the dollar by comparison, that's all I use now. I can't say with any authority that Blue Juice & Ultra Pure Lamp oil are the same oil, but I can say from my own experience for the last 8 months, that both oils seem to "behave" & lubricate exactly the same way. When my valves do periodically get a bit sluggish, I clean out any accummulated slide grease w/ a liberal flush of the blue lamp oil poured directly into the horn's auxillary F slide. I use Hetman slide grease. I did use the pink Selmer slide grease for a while, but it quickly melted & migrated. The gooey Hetman stuff last longer & stay's put, so I'm sticking to Hetman (no pun intended). The Hetman slide grease, BTW, is pure lanolin, sheep grease, which can be purchased by the pound from compounding pharmacies. I haven't decided if I want to order a pound yet, because over a long period of time, lanolin solidifies, especially wherever it's exposed to oxygen. In fact, all oils & greases will eventually gel or solidify over time, especially if exposed to air and/or extremes in temperature. I know horn players who use unconventional lubricants on their slides: Bardahl, STP, gun grease, all purpose grease from the hardware store. All of them have horns that perform very well. Valerie, with the non-authoritative, not-so-last word on horn lubrication___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] blue?
Sunoco oil is or used to be blue when I grew up. Most other oil is either a reddish or yellowish color. I'm not sure, but I thought it came from Pennsylavnia. Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn McCandless Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Hornlist] blue? If Blue Juice is a petroleum product, where does the blue color come from?? I grew up around Titusville & Oil City where Pennzoil, Wolf's Head, Amily, and some other oils were abundant and originally manufactured before being bought out by other states (and countries at this point). I'm over 1/2 century old and have NEVER seen oil products that are naturally blue. Do they use food coloring? If so, is it a natural dirivative or synthetic coloring?? As to the trumpet player, I did say I used Blue Juice on the trumpets when I played them and they were okay. I just prefer not to use it at all now that I've seen what can happen to it when it is old and still in the bottle. Again, it was the Blue Juice itself that was left in the trunk lost not the horn itself. This persons' horn is always in transit back and forth to work because they are forced to go to practices and concerts right from their job. So, this horn spends a lot of time in the trunk of their car out of necessity. NOT forgetfulness! There are outside concerts where a lot of us brass players will leave the cases for the instruments in their cars and walk to the park with just the instrument. I'm assuming that during one of these occasions the Blue Juice unknowingly fell out of the case and rolled underneath stuff in the car trunk. DMM ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] blue?
If Blue Juice is a petroleum product, where does the blue color come from?? I grew up around Titusville & Oil City where Pennzoil, Wolf's Head, Amily, and some other oils were abundant and originally manufactured before being bought out by other states (and countries at this point). I'm over 1/2 century old and have NEVER seen oil products that are naturally blue. Do they use food coloring? If so, is it a natural dirivative or synthetic coloring?? As to the trumpet player, I did say I used Blue Juice on the trumpets when I played them and they were okay. I just prefer not to use it at all now that I've seen what can happen to it when it is old and still in the bottle. Again, it was the Blue Juice itself that was left in the trunk lost not the horn itself. This persons' horn is always in transit back and forth to work because they are forced to go to practices and concerts right from their job. So, this horn spends a lot of time in the trunk of their car out of necessity. NOT forgetfulness! There are outside concerts where a lot of us brass players will leave the cases for the instruments in their cars and walk to the park with just the instrument. I'm assuming that during one of these occasions the Blue Juice unknowingly fell out of the case and rolled underneath stuff in the car trunk. DMM ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] blue juice
But then again, I have on occasion forgotten about my horn while playing it! ...that's on those really good days. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music -Original Message- (On Behalf Of John Dutton) ... As to the person who left their horn in the trunk for two seasons in PA, I ... Really, forgetting about one's horn period indicates a few things by itself. The Jack Attack! ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
re: [Hornlist] blue juice
I have been using 50/50 Al Cass & Blue Juice since 1993 on rotor faces and have never had a stuck or gummy rotor whether it was a vintage 8D, Eastlake 8D, Alex, Yamaha, or even the Sansone in the attic. This 50/50 mixture was recommended to me by a highly respected repairman/horn maker so I think I'll trust it (no offense to Steve M). Of course I have never used Blue Juice by itself either. As to the person who left their horn in the trunk for two seasons in PA, I highly doubt that the person's horn was free of growth prior to being forgotten. Really, forgetting about one's horn period indicates a few things by itself. The Jack Attack! ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] blue juice
I have had fabulous results with products from the Hetman line. My two cents. -- Mathew James ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] blue juice
Some personal experience with Blue Juice in horn rotors gives me reason to advise people not to use it on horns. A friend, who's horn I clean, left her Blue Juice bottle accidently in her car trunk for quite a while. It went through the PA winter and summer. When she found the bottle what was left of it was dried up rubbery blue gunk. When I cleaned her horn out there was gunk in the rotors which hadn't been there before she ever used blue juice. I know someone will not be happy with me for giving any problems about it. I used to help my husband with brake repairs and some other car work. Plus we lived on one farm where our landlord had an old dump truck with 400,000 miles on it (no kidding). He never changed the oil in it. Talk about gooey old black oil! Still, old greese looks nothing like that blue juice did. I used blue juice a couple times on trumpet when I still played it once in a while. Trumpet valves are more controllable than enclosed horn rotors. After seeing that my personal preferences are to stay away from Blue Juice for horn rotors. DMM ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Blue Juice for Valves?
From: "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, you think, to try Blue Juice, which is what my trumpet-playing son uses for valve oil, on the valves of my French Horn? Not for slide grease, just for the valves. Yes. Almost anything derived from petroleum will be better than nothing, but you can also use silicone caulk or peanut butter. Your question isn't a stupid question, but it is a little thoughtless. In effect you are asking hundreds of people to type up maintenence regimens for horn valves. Many list members are experienced and expert, and may provide good information if they take the time, but you will also encounter crazy fringe advice (e.g. silicone caulk or peanut butter) and well-meaning zealots. (I switched to Screaming Green Monkey Oil and not only did it repair the dents in my bell, my car also gets 20% better gas mileage whenever the horn is in the trunk!) If you think a little, there are numerous sites around the web, findable with Google, that give professional advice about rotor care. Osmun has this good one: http://www.osmun.com/reference/Rot_Maint.htm but there are any number of others. Some high school kid may give you good advice based on his experience, but best to stick to the advice from the serious professional horn shops. After finding and reading several such sites, composed by respected and reliable professionals, you should realize that optimal maintenance of a rotary valve requires at least two and perhaps three different kinds of oils. (None of these are slide grease.) But in a pinch, almost any light petroleum-derived hydrocarbon is better than nothing. So if you're marooned on a desert island with your horn and only one kind of oil, such as Blue Juice, that is no reason to miss the opportunity for concentrated practice. But otherwise you will want multiple oils in your kit. ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Blue Juice for Valves?
OK, you think, to try Blue Juice, which is what my trumpet-playing son uses for valve oil, on the valves of my French Horn? Not for slide grease, just for the valves. Thanks in advance. -S- ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Blue-belled "valvectomy" horn on ebay
No disrespect intended, but it's based on an Olds Ambassador, I'm pretty sure, that would go for less than half that much IF it were in better condition, and with a good set of valves. (And didn't need that stupid paint stripped.) FWIW, I bought one of these from Lowell Greer - he "valvectises" them - before Xmas this last year. It's definitely a "poor man's handhorn". It plays pretty well and it's light beyond belief. I like it quite a bit - it comes with extensions for E, Eb, D. If I only had a C extension, I'd play it for a Haydn Te Deum that I'm playing in June. All in all, I got out of it what I expected at a price I was willing to pay, and it is perfectly suited for me to sit at home and try to teach myself handhorn technique. I will admit that the paint is a somewhat cheesy imitation of the gorgeously painted bells of horns of an earlier era - it is obviously spray painted on. Nonetheless, from a distance it's pretty. Some day, I hope to be able to afford one of Lowell's reproduction horns. Sadly, with my son going off to UCLA this fall, that will not happen any time soon. Bo ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Blue-belled "valvectomy" horn on ebay
Hey, dis' it all you want - it's not mine. :) -S- > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > du] On Behalf Of Jerry Houston > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:50 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Blue-belled "valvectomy" horn on ebay > > Terrific description! That's gotta be worth something. > > No disrespect intended, but it's based on an Olds Ambassador, > I'm pretty sure, that would go for less than half that much > IF it were in better condition, and with a good set of > valves. (And didn't need that stupid paint stripped.) > > From: "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Hornlist] Blue-belled "valvectomy" horn on ebay > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7320020679 > > ___ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc > omputer.com > ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Blue-belled "valvectomy" horn on ebay
Terrific description! That's gotta be worth something. No disrespect intended, but it's based on an Olds Ambassador, I'm pretty sure, that would go for less than half that much IF it were in better condition, and with a good set of valves. (And didn't need that stupid paint stripped.) From: "Steve Freides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Hornlist] Blue-belled "valvectomy" horn on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7320020679 ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Blue-belled "valvectomy" horn on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7320020679 -S- ___ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
