Re: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please
Sorry. Long distance analysis just doesn't work for me. CORdially, Paul Mansur On Friday, April 14, 2006, at 01:05 AM, christine williamson wrote: Greetings Listers, I need some advice! My horn has recently started to need oiling much more frequently, sometimes two or three times in one day. Even when I've oiled at the start of a practice or rehearsal it starts to get noisy and feels 'clunky' within an hour or so. I use Yamaha spindle oil and either Al Cass or Yamaha valve oil. I've used these for at least a couple of years now and have only had to oil once or twice a week until recently. Does anyone have any ideas on what may be a cause of this? Could I be using the wrong types of oil? I apologise for bringing up what has been a previously well discussed topic but I don't have the knowledge nor confidence to make my own and choices are very limited in the only local music shop. It may even be that the oil is not the actual problem. Is it possible that the weather is causing this? We have extreme humidity at the moment and the horn is in and out of airconditioning all the time (although cooler the air still seems to stay very clammy). I would really appreciate any ideas or advice! Thankyou :) Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please
At 06:51 PM 4/14/06 +0900, you wrote: I'm going to try a change of oil (also perhaps get something a little thicker as the valves may not be quite so snug anymore -is this a good idea?) and I can't help wondering about the weather aspect as it has been quite extreme recently. Maybe it will even resolve itself with a change of season in a few weeks time! A thicker oil would not do any lasting harm. It can always be flushed out if it slows down the action too much. On my horns I use Singer Sewing Machine Oil for the bearings and Bue Juice for the lateral surfaces of the valves. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please
(Sorry for the delay in replying but I was called away suddenly as we were going out to dinner!) > - Original Message - > From: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well, this horn seems to have passed some years. Look at the > linkage, if there is some "mobility" at the connections of > the arms, where metal "clonks" metal, perhaps. Thankyou for your advice, I have manipulated every movable part of the horn and all seems tight and sound. I have checked all strings, screws and fittings and they seem equally OK. In fact for a possibly elderly instrument that has travelled around the countryside quite a deal it seems to me to be in pretty good shape all round! I'm going to try a change of oil (also perhaps get something a little thicker as the valves may not be quite so snug anymore -is this a good idea?) and I can't help wondering about the weather aspect as it has been quite extreme recently. Maybe it will even resolve itself with a change of season in a few weeks time! > What kind of linkage does it have ? Is it a cross-joint ? > (mostly) This can be fixed. Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean... maybe I'll have a talk to the brass repairman (even though he very seldom works on horns, mostly brass band instruments, he should hopefully know what to look for) > My Easter break is La Tosca tomorrow & Parsifal on Sunday > > = Thankyou very much again for your time and I am envious of your Easter *break*!! I hope you get some time to relax too :) Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please
Well, this horn seems to have passed some years. Look at the linkage, if there is some "mobility" at the connections of the arms, where metal "clonks" metal, perhaps. If you hold both arms & they seem to allow a bit of movement at the connections, bring the horn to a repairman to get it fixed. What kind of linkage does it have ? Is it a cross-joint ? (mostly) This can be fixed. My Easter break is La Tosca tomorrow & Parsifal on Sunday = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of christine williamson Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:41 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please > - Original Message - > From: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As Loren said, a good repair person might help. But as you said, the > valves are getting noisy, you should consider checking the valve > linkage first, as here wear appears first. How old is your horn ? Thankyou, I did check the linkage and it seemed OK although I wasn't 100% certain to know what to look for. There is a brass repairman in town so perhaps I'll ask him to take a look too. My horn is a Gerhard Schneider B&H sponsored Master Model. I don't know how old it is, it only has 131205M stamped on the leadpipe but no other markings. I suspect it has been around for a while but it is a bit of a mystery instrument! You were actually the only person able to provide me with any information on G. Schneider a year or so ago. Thankyou again for your suggestions. As it is my only instrument (and the only one I'm ever likely to have) and I value it dearly I want to take the best care of it that I can. Have a Happy Easter break! Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please
> - Original Message - > From: "Hans.Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As Loren said, a good repair person might help. But as you > said, the valves are getting noisy, you should consider > checking the valve linkage first, as here wear appears > first. How old is your horn ? Thankyou, I did check the linkage and it seemed OK although I wasn't 100% certain to know what to look for. There is a brass repairman in town so perhaps I'll ask him to take a look too. My horn is a Gerhard Schneider B&H sponsored Master Model. I don't know how old it is, it only has 131205M stamped on the leadpipe but no other markings. I suspect it has been around for a while but it is a bit of a mystery instrument! You were actually the only person able to provide me with any information on G. Schneider a year or so ago. Thankyou again for your suggestions. As it is my only instrument (and the only one I'm ever likely to have) and I value it dearly I want to take the best care of it that I can. Have a Happy Easter break! Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please
As Loren said, a good repair person might help. But as you said, the valves are getting noisy, you should consider checking the valve linkage first, as here wear appears first. How old is your horn ? == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of christine williamson Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:05 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please Greetings Listers, I need some advice! My horn has recently started to need oiling much more frequently, sometimes two or three times in one day. Even when I've oiled at the start of a practice or rehearsal it starts to get noisy and feels 'clunky' within an hour or so. I use Yamaha spindle oil and either Al Cass or Yamaha valve oil. I've used these for at least a couple of years now and have only had to oil once or twice a week until recently. Does anyone have any ideas on what may be a cause of this? Could I be using the wrong types of oil? I apologise for bringing up what has been a previously well discussed topic but I don't have the knowledge nor confidence to make my own and choices are very limited in the only local music shop. It may even be that the oil is not the actual problem. Is it possible that the weather is causing this? We have extreme humidity at the moment and the horn is in and out of airconditioning all the time (although cooler the air still seems to stay very clammy). I would really appreciate any ideas or advice! Thankyou :) Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please
>I would also recommend not using Al Cass; use Blue Juice or Hetman #11 or > 12 Rotor oil instead. Al Cass tends to make rotors sticky which could be > another source of frustration (and possibly noise). > > Loren Thankyou for your very fast reply! As soon as you mentioned about the Al Cass I realised that this was the first time in ages that I'd bought and used it (and then only because the shop had run out of my usual Yamaha oil) and I also remember someone making the exact same comment once before (I have a terrible sieve-like memory) ...Now what was I saying again...? I don't play a Yamaha (any more) but an old Alex.-clone. I buy Yamaha because it is the only oil available locally but do you think it would be wiser to order in something else? I certainly won't use the Al Cass anymore (and will be interested to see if that makes a difference!) Thanks again! I love this list :) Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please
A competent repair person may need to look at your problem. The Yamaha valves are tapered and difficult to seat properly except by someone with expertise with these valves. They may have worn or have been cleaned and not seated properly causing them to be noisy. I would also recommend not using Al Cass; use Blue Juice or Hetman #11 or 12 Rotor oil instead. Al Cass tends to make rotors sticky which could be another source of frustration (and possibly noise). Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of christine williamson Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:05 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Oil advice needed please Greetings Listers, I need some advice! My horn has recently started to need oiling much more frequently, sometimes two or three times in one day. Even when I've oiled at the start of a practice or rehearsal it starts to get noisy and feels 'clunky' within an hour or so. I use Yamaha spindle oil and either Al Cass or Yamaha valve oil. I've used these for at least a couple of years now and have only had to oil once or twice a week until recently. Does anyone have any ideas on what may be a cause of this? Could I be using the wrong types of oil? I apologise for bringing up what has been a previously well discussed topic but I don't have the knowledge nor confidence to make my own and choices are very limited in the only local music shop. It may even be that the oil is not the actual problem. Is it possible that the weather is causing this? We have extreme humidity at the moment and the horn is in and out of airconditioning all the time (although cooler the air still seems to stay very clammy). I would really appreciate any ideas or advice! Thankyou :) Chris W -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
