Re: [Hornlist] Factory Defects and Horn Brands
In a message dated 3/30/2004 10:47:29 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK. the 176 used to be a brass Farkas with medium throat. The H176 was a model used in 1976 for the Bicentenial. It had a large throat red brass bell with the Liberty Bell engraved on the bell. Wes ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Factory Defects and Horn Brands
OK. the 176 used to be a brass Farkas with medium throat. Paul Mansur On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 08:23 PM, Jen Gilbert Gesinski wrote: --- Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the 178 is a large throat horn; same as the 179. The medium throat Farkas brass horn is a 176. Uh, no. The Holton 176 model is a Merker-Matic...and a very nice one at that, with a bronze bell--a very warm sounding instrument. JEN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pmansur%40bellsouth.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Factory Defects and Horn Brands
At 5:23 PM -0800 3/30/04, Jen Gilbert Gesinski wrote: >The Holton 176 model is a Merker-Matic...and a very nice one >at that, with a bronze bell--a very warm sounding instrument. Greetings - http://www.gleblanc.com/instruments/frenchhorns.cfm Lists these four horns as being the present Merker line: H192 (Geyer) H175 H189 H176 It also lists their other horns. Apparently there are specifications for each. Regards, Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Factory Defects and Horn Brands
Paul et al, (I referenced this site for this reply http://www.gleblanc.com/instruments/frenchhorns.cfm.) The following are Farkas models: 177, 178, 179, 180, and 181. The yellow brass 178 has a medium-throated bell. Its nickel silver sibling is the 177. The yellow brass 180 has a large-throated bell. Its NS counterpart is the ubiquitous 179. The 181 also has a large throat but is in rose brass. The (current) 176 is a Merker model (i.e. dual bore, domed valve caps, large throat, etc.) in rose brass. The 175 and 183 are also Merkers but in nickel silver and yellow brass, respectively. (I believe the 183 may recently have been discontinued.) Two more recent additions to the Merker line, but with different bells and wraps, are the 189 (NS, x-large throat) and 192 (Geyer wrap, YB, small throat). Russ Smiley Marlborough, CT -Original Message- From: Paul Mansur [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:43 PM To: The Horn List Subject:Re: [Hornlist] Factory Defects and Horn Brands On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:55 AM, Elizabeth E. Crane wrote: > After doing a > lot of comparing and contrasting, I liked the Holton 178 > best. It just seemed to have the best sound and tone of > the ones that I played. I actually thought that I was > going to like the large throat horns more than the medium > throat, but it turned out to be the opposite. I think the 178 is a large throat horn; same as the 179. The medium throat Farkas brass horn is a 176. The size of throat opening is a minor difference. If you like a horn, it is probably ok, provided it plays in tune for you; or rather that you can play it in tune. Don't buy a horn you don't like. What I play is completely irrelevant to your choice. Cheers, Mansur's Answers ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/arsmiley%40usadatanet.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Factory Defects and Horn Brands
--- Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the 178 is a large throat horn; same as the 179. The medium > > throat Farkas brass horn is a 176. Uh, no. The Holton 176 model is a Merker-Matic...and a very nice one at that, with a bronze bell--a very warm sounding instrument. JEN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Factory Defects and Horn Brands
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:55 AM, Elizabeth E. Crane wrote: After doing a lot of comparing and contrasting, I liked the Holton 178 best. It just seemed to have the best sound and tone of the ones that I played. I actually thought that I was going to like the large throat horns more than the medium throat, but it turned out to be the opposite. I think the 178 is a large throat horn; same as the 179. The medium throat Farkas brass horn is a 176. The size of throat opening is a minor difference. If you like a horn, it is probably ok, provided it plays in tune for you; or rather that you can play it in tune. Don't buy a horn you don't like. What I play is completely irrelevant to your choice. Cheers, Mansur's Answers ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Factory Defects and Horn Brands
Elizabeth: Plenty of good horn players get good results playing Holtons. (Ditto not-so-good horn players.) So go with what works best for you & don't be overconcerned with the opinions of others. What works best for them may or may not work best for you. When selecting a horn to buy, wouldn't it be interesting to do a testing process roughly equivalent to blind auditions? Instead of seeing or being told what kind of horn you're picking up & getting ready to blow, you're semi-blindfolded -- i.e., you can see the music in front of you but not the horn or anything else below the sight-line of the music stand. An assistant inserts the mouthpiece & hands the horn to you in playing position. You have no visual cues to suggest whether you're playing a top-line custom Yamaha or an el-cheapo Brand-X. You form your impressions solely on how the horn feels, how it sounds, & how it responds. In short, do you suppose there is a placebo effect associated with the top-name horns, when you know that's what you're playing? Now, if you can get just get your horn teacher to help you make your selection, you could be miles ahead in the whole process. Your horn teacher's opinion is the 1 that should influence you most. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ At 06:55 AM 3/30/2004 -0800, you wrote: Good morning, all! I must admit, I've been reading this 'defects" thread with great interest. I'm coming back to horn playing in my thirties after ten years away, and I've been "horn shopping" for a little while, now. I visited the Brasswind and Woodwind store in Indiana this weekend, and played quite a few. I played a Hans Hoyer Heritage, a Yamaha 667, a Yamaha 668, a Conn 8D, a Holton 378, a Holton 180, and a Holton 178. After doing a lot of comparing and contrasting, I liked the Holton 178 best. It just seemed to have the best sound and tone of the ones that I played. I actually thought that I was going to like the large throat horns more than the medium throat, but it turned out to be the opposite. Admittedly, I'm probably not the best judge, since I've been away so long. But, after reading all of the concerns about mass-produced horns, I'm a little concerned about my choice. Should Holtons be avoided as an adult player? (I should add that I'm not looking for a professional-level career in horn, I'm probably going to be more of a hobbyist, or a community orchestra type player.) If I *shouldn't* buy a Holton, does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks! Elizabeth __ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
