Re: [Hornlist] Le sacre tuben parts

2008-09-18 Thread Dan Phillips 

Robert N. Ward:
I used to think that these parts were in Bb basso, but I no longer
believe that to be the case.



Travis Bennett:
It is a strange register for tuben, but then look at where Stravinsky writes 
the opening bassoon solo!


I've always played it up, in several orchestras over the last 32 years. I agree 
with Travis about the sound of the high range being something Stravinsky would 
deliberately exploit, and with Bob about the whole tone scales at the end of 
part I being an octave above the tubas. It's a great part that's a lot of fun to 
play!


Dan

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RE: [Hornlist] Le Sacre tuben parts

2008-09-17 Thread Robert Dickow 
Bob,

Interesting observation. I have to tell the story that the last time we did
Sacre in Spokane, I read the B-flat alto tuben part UP, where it really is
pretty high. I was instructed right then and there to do it down an octave.
It DID sound a little goofy up high. I'll have a look at the score there
too. I'm sure that a little Schenkerian Analysis can clear up this question.
;-)

Bob Dickow
Lionel Hampton School of Music


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There is some confusion about this.  This post caused me to go back  
and look at the score, and take another look.  After doing so, it is  
clear to me that the parts are correctly in Bb alto.  The key to  
determining this is looking at five and four bars before the end of  
the First Part.  If the Wagner Tubas play in Bb Basso, they are then  
in unison with the Bass Tuba, which is clearly not intended, since the  
ascending quarter note line is then no longer in octaves.

I used to think that these parts were in Bb basso, but I no longer  
believe that to be the case.

B

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On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:19 PM, Robert Dickow wrote:

> Worse, Stravinsky writes W tuben in "B-flat alto" in
> Sacre, but that puts it one octave too high, so you have to adjust  
> there
> too).




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