Re: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
In a message dated 9/22/2003 12:14:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > As Jungwirth horns are in quite a demand, nobody would "just" auction > them for a few hundred bucks. > > See the sellers other auctions. Schmid double, Lewis double, etc. all > just for few hundreds. > I would add another point about why this all smells quite fishy: the owner could ship the horns to Japan (which is apparently where the owner is headed) and sell all of this equipment for thousands and thousands, without any trouble whatsoever. Caveat emptor. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
The other crooks would have been: A straight sticker for Bb, a very short "pig tail" crook for A, three short slides to replace the others when playing A or Bb. The price for such a set is just a small fraction of a Jungwirth Pumpenhorn price. So the informations from the seller must be incorrect & thus the seller is to be taken with great caution. As Jungwirth horns are in quite a demand, nobody would "just" auction them for a few hundred bucks. See the sellers other auctions. Schmid double, Lewis double, etc. all just for few hundreds. Something must be wrong. I´ll watch the auctions anyway & wait for the final prices for the horns - and if the buyers get their horns. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Valenza Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:14 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball ! My reply from the seller follows. Charles Valenza - Original Message - From: "Chris Sneller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:54 AM Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2559244428 > The horn is from jungwirth. It was made in 1995 and only has the "F" crook. > I bought it second hand in england and the owner wanted an outrageous amount > for the rest of the crooks > C. Osako Ph.D Eng ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
My reply from the seller follows. Charles Valenza - Original Message - From: "Chris Sneller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:54 AM Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2559244428 > The horn is from jungwirth. It was made in 1995 and only has the "F" crook. > I bought it second hand in england and the owner wanted an outrageous amount > for the rest of the crooks > C. Osako Ph.D Eng ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
I sent the seller a question asking about the brand and rough age. He said it's Jungwirth from 1995. I can't remember the name of the seller offhand, but i have it in my email box at home. I can send it to the list when I get back. I remember being signed "name Phd.Eng." or something like that. Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 9/20/2003 8:59:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Jerryold99 are you out there? Perhaps you could send the whole list > information- what I know of Jerry is he's a reputable source for information > so feel > free to bid confidently, > > Thanks, > > Hoss > > > Hello Hoss, > > I see than Hans has identified the horn as one from > Wiener Horn Manufaktur. The wrap is unique and, > to the best of my knowlwdge, used only by Wiener > and Jungwirth. The design is almost identical > to a late 19th century Uhlmann design except the Uhlmann > horns normally had a straight third valve tuning slide. > > The pic appears to be a modern professional photo and I would > assume the horn is in like new condition unless it is being > misrepresented. The description is also a puzzle. It is not > the description I would expect from > a horn player/collector for the audience that would be interested > this horn. The folks who are interested in this horn probably > don't need to know that "It works by increasing the slide length > when the valve is pressed". > > I've bid on the horn but will procede with caution. Does anyone > know who the seller is? > > Regards,Jerry Old in Kansas City > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
In a message dated 9/21/2003 11:26:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jerryold99 this is not you? The email address on the page had your email address as his ebay name, I'm confused, Thanks, Josh Hi Josh, Check again. I'm just a bidder. Regards,Jerry ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
Jerryold99 this is not you? The email address on the page had your email address as his ebay name, I'm confused, Thanks, Josh ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
In a message dated 9/20/2003 8:59:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jerryold99 are you out there? Perhaps you could send the whole list information- what I know of Jerry is he's a reputable source for information so feel free to bid confidently, Thanks, Hoss Hello Hoss, I see than Hans has identified the horn as one from Wiener Horn Manufaktur. The wrap is unique and, to the best of my knowlwdge, used only by Wiener and Jungwirth. The design is almost identical to a late 19th century Uhlmann design except the Uhlmann horns normally had a straight third valve tuning slide. The pic appears to be a modern professional photo and I would assume the horn is in like new condition unless it is being misrepresented. The description is also a puzzle. It is not the description I would expect from a horn player/collector for the audience that would be interested this horn. The folks who are interested in this horn probably don't need to know that "It works by increasing the slide length when the valve is pressed". I've bid on the horn but will procede with caution. Does anyone know who the seller is? Regards,Jerry Old in Kansas City ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
I compared the picture: The horn in question is definitely from Wiener Horn Manufaktur, a brand new horn. The slide for he 3rd valve is different from Jungwirth, also the bumpers are different. Who would auction a new Pumpenhorn at this conditions on ebay ??? One must remain suspect. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James O'Briant Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:19 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball ! Alan Cole wrote: > Discussions of oddball horns have bounced around > on the list from time to time, so check this 1 out... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2559244428&category=1 6215 This listing looks suspicious. The photo appears to be a professional studio photo -- far above the quality of the photos of the only other items this seller has sold on eBay. The seller also has more than 10% negative feedbacks. ON the two items this seller has sold, one of the positive feedbacks comes from a buyer with only 1 feedback and the other from a buyer with only 8. These are the conditions one sees when a seller uses fraudulent buyer accounts to run up his positive feedback. I have e-mailed the seller, requesting a list of the keys of the other crooks, and photos of the crooks and the case. I wonder if he/she can provide them? Jim O'Briant Bayside Music Press Gilroy, CA 95020 http://www.baysidemusicpress.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
This photo is a studio photo definitely, taken from a catalogue perhaps. The horn is NOT an antique horn but a brand new horn, probably a Jungwirth from Vienna (has also the black plastic bumpers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James O'Briant Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:19 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball ! Alan Cole wrote: > Discussions of oddball horns have bounced around > on the list from time to time, so check this 1 out... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2559244428&category=1 6215 This listing looks suspicious. The photo appears to be a professional studio photo -- far above the quality of the photos of the only other items this seller has sold on eBay. The seller also has more than 10% negative feedbacks. ON the two items this seller has sold, one of the positive feedbacks comes from a buyer with only 1 feedback and the other from a buyer with only 8. These are the conditions one sees when a seller uses fraudulent buyer accounts to run up his positive feedback. I have e-mailed the seller, requesting a list of the keys of the other crooks, and photos of the crooks and the case. I wonder if he/she can provide them? Jim O'Briant Bayside Music Press Gilroy, CA 95020 http://www.baysidemusicpress.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
Jerryold99 are you out there? Perhaps you could send the whole list information- what I know of Jerry is he's a reputable source for information so feel free to bid confidently, Thanks, Hoss ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
The seller is a Seattle area horn player who evidently is moving to Japan and is selling is horn collection of 40 horns. I wish I could afford to have that many... plus I wonder how well he can keep up the maintenence on them. -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Talk About Odd-Ball !
Alan Cole wrote: > Discussions of oddball horns have bounced around > on the list from time to time, so check this 1 out... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2559244428&category=1 6215 This listing looks suspicious. The photo appears to be a professional studio photo -- far above the quality of the photos of the only other items this seller has sold on eBay. The seller also has more than 10% negative feedbacks. ON the two items this seller has sold, one of the positive feedbacks comes from a buyer with only 1 feedback and the other from a buyer with only 8. These are the conditions one sees when a seller uses fraudulent buyer accounts to run up his positive feedback. I have e-mailed the seller, requesting a list of the keys of the other crooks, and photos of the crooks and the case. I wonder if he/she can provide them? Jim O'Briant Bayside Music Press Gilroy, CA 95020 http://www.baysidemusicpress.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
