Re: Transposition WAS: RE: [Hornlist] Transpostion Assistance

2008-09-17 Thread [email protected]
Bob, Wagner did not use different methods while writing his four operas wagner 
tuba parts. This is not correct. He wrote them the upper pair (Bb) in Eb and 
the lower pair in Bb-basso - in the score ONLY, but he wished that the single 
parts were written out in Bb (tuba 1 & 2) and in F (tuba 3 & 4), occasionally 
using bass clef old notatin. There is a remark in the Rheingold score (1st 
page) that the pars must be written out in this way and this should be the rule 
for all his future operas. Further, mostly not observed: 2 tenor tubas in 
B-flat, which corresponds in register to the horns in F and thus be played by 
he first (rem.: high) players of the third & fourth pair of horns, and 2 bass 
tubas in F, which correspond in register to the low horns in B-flat and thus 
would be most effectively played by the second players of the horn pairs 
mentioned.

So it might be wise, to assign the Bb tubas to horn 5/7 and the F tuba parts to 
horns 6/8, the horn parts 5 to 8 be arranged & be seated accordingly. It does 
not matter much in Rheingold, as there are just a few more notes left for the 
horns after the introduction & the rest be just tuba. In Walkuere the horns 5 - 
8 play tuba for the acts 1/2 and horn in act 3. Siegfried does not bring 
conflicts either, as horns 5-8 resp. tubas 1 - 4 have not much to do in the 
first two acts, but play horn exclusively in act 3. Conflicts occur in 
Goetterdaemmerung, so the parts must be arranged as said above, so horn 6 is a 
high player playing tuba 2 in Bb and horn 6, which is a bit lower than usual 
for this position. Player of horn seven has to play tuba 3 in F, which should 
be the appropriate range but also playing horn 7 which is a bit higher than the 
usual range for this position. This should be logical & tradition in Munich & 
Vienna & elsewhere in Germany. High horns play the Bb tubas & 
 low horns play the F tubas and the players have to arrange themselves, a no 
problem in the modern horn world.

As we used the first (means the parts of the premieres & their copies later) 
tuba parts evere here in Munich, there were some very practical tricks 
implemented. The rather low pars were written out in F-basso so to avoid the 
many ledger lines & remain in trebble clef.

Richard Strauss hads his very special methode to avoid too many accidentals in 
his horn parts: he used transposition. So the horn parts are quite clean & only 
those notes have accidentals, where must keep "attention".

Greetings from unusual cold Munich (5 centigrades mid afternoon)

Hans


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Transposition WAS: RE: [Hornlist] Transpostion Assistance

2008-09-17 Thread Robert Dickow
Transposing is SO much a part of horn playing or Wagner tuba playing.
Last weekend we performed Strauss'  Alpine Symphony and I covered horn VI
and B-flat tuben. Every time I play a tuben part I have to decode what
method the composer chose to write the part. Sometimes they are in bass clef
or in E-flat or something goofy (and even Wagner wrote in different methods
in the same opera! Worse, Stravinsky writes W tuben in "B-flat alto" in
Sacre, but that puts it one octave too high, so you have to adjust there
too). So, I figured out that reading the Alpine tuben part as if it were
B-flat horn (basso) worked great, using B-flat horn fingerings with some
modifications and use of the 4th valve. And, in that piece generally you
have to be ready to transpose in 2 or three different keys even on a single
staff line. Strauss, for convenience, appears to change the notation keys
(to horn in B-flat for example to get the low pedal) just to avoid writing
ledger lines or to avoid excessive accidentals.

By the way, the Alpine Symphony is really fun to play. However-- as you work
your way up the mountain, around the middle of the work I found that I
really needed to take more frequent breaths because of the altitude. ;-)

Bob Dickow
Lionel Hampton School of Music

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At 9:17 PM +0200 9/17/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Greetings -

This is one of the ways to transpose I've heard of.

Don't thing clefs. Don't think intervals.

Think in the key. You've got to know your horn 
very well to do this, but it's no more difficult 
than playing a part in F.

Okay. Off to practice my bassoon.

Carlberg


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