Re: [HOT] Reports about actual use of the results of HOT efforts
Dear Peter, This is a reoccurring question, there was a thread about it less than one month ago in this list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2016-June/011992.html Several resources are listed in that thread (inc. the case study by Médecins Sans Frontières' GIS Unit on Ebola which is probably one of the most consistent one: http://cartong.org/news/update-msf-case-study-gis-ebola-response), although more could certainly be added (and to my knowledge no academic-level synthesis exists). Several NGOs are trying to improve the feedback towards the HOT community, in particular the members of the Missing Maps project, however this requires time which is why it is not always done perfectly. Thanks & best regards. Martin On 03/07/2016 14:00, hot-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 09:12:35 +0200 From: Peter Gervai<grin...@gmail.com> To:hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Reports about actual use of the results of HOT efforts Message-ID: <CAAWNVq-hrEqBch9+2pG83v0Oaj=emr9sqvqmctwuus+fs53...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello HOT! I decided to bring this over from https://github.com/hotosm/hotosm-website/issues/65 and https://github.com/hotosm/hotosm-website/issues/84#issuecomment-217356627 (both closed, btw) since I have realised this may be of a wider interest. The original request was about the problem that while there are plenty of showcases about the_results_ of the various HOT maps there are almost none - or if there is they are very hard to find - about how these mapping results were_used_ on the field out there. Actual reports from the people who received the output of HOT: - who are they exactly, where are they from, how are they organised, how did they contact HOT? - how did they use the data or the maps, what methods, equipment? - what did they exactly used it for, what did they do with it? - what parts of the map/data was the most helpful for them, how and why? - what was not usable for them, what parts were not needed by them? - what would they liked to have which was missing? - if it's possible to say how much did the HOT results helped their efforts? was it a little help? was it the most important help in their work? - what did they dislike in the results? were there dangerously unreliable, misrepresented, otherwise problematic areas? were the "white western people" able to map what's out there or were they misunderstood what they saw on the imagery? I would like to know the problems, too. Maybe there are such reports, then I would be very glad if you people would point me to them. (I would then forward it to the webite team to include it on the main website, too.) If there are not much of those, which I suspect, I would propose a simple thing: HOT (community) give map and data to organisations, organisations give reports of actual usage to HOT (community). This should be the only thing we would kindly, but firmly ask for it in return. As I wrote in the linked ticket above: "there is a big difference between asking me to help creating a map somewhere just because the area isn't covered (like when I was mapping rivers in Siberia, vast lands with not a single node around, but nobody really care or use it, it's just for fun) or because there are actual people requiring this actual result to do actual work." Apart from that, I would like to know whether my efforts are really useful (apart from the "good to have" maps), there are actual people who ask this very question from me and expecting answers, and I only have general answers with lots of "really useful" and "it's helping the people there", but hardly any hard facts or actual description of what really was the effect of the HOT efforts. Thank you, Peter Gervai OSM Hungary ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Reports about actual use of the results of HOT efforts
Hi Peter, I can not really answer all your questions. There are a number of NGO and humanitarian professionals on this list and they might be able to answer some of them more specifically, but I can comment in general: OpenStreetMap is the main geo dataset for humanitarian work of all sorts for a large part of the planet. It is relied upon by many major NGOs and UN organizations. Geospatial data is not just nice to have in a humanitarian context, but instead either directly enables or dramatically improves a wide variety of humanitarian related work. Can I list every way it gets used? No. Can I make a blanket statement that it decreases suffering and saves lives? I am very sure it does. Almost every project listed on the HOT Tasking Manager is there because someone, some organization or some government entity has directly identified a need for geospatial data because it improves or in many cases enables their work and their work is dedicated to improving and/or saving lives. Our http://missingmaps.org project was founded by the American Red Cross (Global ICT & Analytics International Services division), the British Red Cross and Médecins Sans Frontières-UK - They partnered with HOT and OSM to generate and make this data available directly for their field work. And the Missing Maps consortium continues to grow and add new partners because more and more NGOs recognize the value of the data we generate to their mission. I literally work every day of the week with NGOs, international public health professionals and/or UN staff to coordinate the generation of geo data because they need it. And the requests for your mapping is doing nothing but increasing. To be honest, I hardly every ask exactly how they are going to use it. I trust they would not put as much effort into working with us to generate the data as they do if it was not very important and helpful to their work. If they tell me they need our data for their work, that is good enough for me because I know many of the ways it can help from past experience. But I understand people who do not have the opportunity to work directly with these professionals every day wonder if what they are mapping is really useful. I wish you could all hear the thanks I hear not quite everyday, but every week for sure, from the people you are mapping for. I try and pass it on when I can, but reporting back in the detail you asked for on even half the mapping and geo data projects we do would be a full time job, but I know we need to do a better job of it. I can provide a few very specific use cases off the top of my head. At the moment we are trying to help Swaziland eliminate (not reduce, eliminate) malaria from their borders, in Mozambique it is malaria reduction and separately, reduction in child mortality, as well as still helping in the recovery phase of the Japan and Ecuador earthquakes, MSF projects in DRC and South Sudan, etc. You can read the descriptions on many of the Tasking Manager projects and they will tell you why they need the data. It is also important to distinguish between disaster mapping and non-disaster humanitarian mapping. Most of the above applies to non-disaster humanitarian mapping, what we do during times of calm. During a disaster, the OSM dataset, as I said, is the main dataset used for most parts of the world. Reference and base map is critical data for a variety of response activities, logistics and immediate response planning among them. But that same dataset is used throughout the Disaster Management Life-cycle, from response, through recovery and rebuilding and for risk and harm reduction planning for the next disaster. During a disaster is the only time we map and sometimes we are not directly mapping for field work in coordination with people on the ground. And even then, that is only about 25% of the time we do not have contacts on the ground giving us priority areas and telling us exactly what geo data they need. However, we know OSM is used as base/reference map by most major NGO's and most members of the International Disasters Charter. So your mapping is never just nice to have, it is needed and used even if I am not sure exactly who is using it during a crisis (but often time we do know who is using it). We will never know every organization that uses your mapping data, that is one of the joys of OSM, open data anyone can use, no need to ever contact HOT or OSMF. Use of OSM data is often built directly into the professional GIS tools used by professions, humanitarian or otherwise, by just adding an OSM data layer. But for example: Sri Lanka. In that case, while Robert Banick, a HOT member, was actually located in the government Disaster Management Center in Sri Lanka during their last flood event and giving us our mapping priorities, here are 12 disaster assessment products produced by the Disasters Charter member agencies around the world, and I think literally every single one of the products uses OSM as the
[HOT] Reports about actual use of the results of HOT efforts
Hello HOT! I decided to bring this over from https://github.com/hotosm/hotosm-website/issues/65 and https://github.com/hotosm/hotosm-website/issues/84#issuecomment-217356627 (both closed, btw) since I have realised this may be of a wider interest. The original request was about the problem that while there are plenty of showcases about the _results_ of the various HOT maps there are almost none - or if there is they are very hard to find - about how these mapping results were _used_ on the field out there. Actual reports from the people who received the output of HOT: - who are they exactly, where are they from, how are they organised, how did they contact HOT? - how did they use the data or the maps, what methods, equipment? - what did they exactly used it for, what did they do with it? - what parts of the map/data was the most helpful for them, how and why? - what was not usable for them, what parts were not needed by them? - what would they liked to have which was missing? - if it's possible to say how much did the HOT results helped their efforts? was it a little help? was it the most important help in their work? - what did they dislike in the results? were there dangerously unreliable, misrepresented, otherwise problematic areas? were the "white western people" able to map what's out there or were they misunderstood what they saw on the imagery? I would like to know the problems, too. Maybe there are such reports, then I would be very glad if you people would point me to them. (I would then forward it to the webite team to include it on the main website, too.) If there are not much of those, which I suspect, I would propose a simple thing: HOT (community) give map and data to organisations, organisations give reports of actual usage to HOT (community). This should be the only thing we would kindly, but firmly ask for it in return. As I wrote in the linked ticket above: "there is a big difference between asking me to help creating a map somewhere just because the area isn't covered (like when I was mapping rivers in Siberia, vast lands with not a single node around, but nobody really care or use it, it's just for fun) or because there are actual people requiring this actual result to do actual work." Apart from that, I would like to know whether my efforts are really useful (apart from the "good to have" maps), there are actual people who ask this very question from me and expecting answers, and I only have general answers with lots of "really useful" and "it's helping the people there", but hardly any hard facts or actual description of what really was the effect of the HOT efforts. Thank you, Peter Gervai OSM Hungary ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
