Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-10-20 Thread David W. Jones
And this illustrates it very well, courtesy of a little known agency 
that seems to know a little bit about aircraft:


https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/yaw.html

On 10/16/2016 07:39 AM, John Muccigrosso wrote:

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-4, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Very log ago I heard it used.
From dictionary yaw" (be) definition: to be wide open. ... to open
wide; "gape"
Was applied in this meaning to a wide open harbour or river mount.
Just trying to add text to your point 3.



On Saturday, 15 October 2016 02:58:39 UTC+13, John Muccigrosso wrote:

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:34:42 AM UTC-4, Steve Edmonds
wrote:

Yaw is the width of the harbour entrance, side to side.

On Monday, 3 October 2016 04:46:57 UTC+13, John Muccigrosso
wrote:

I always like to remember the original usage for
airplanes (OK, it was really ships):

 1. Pitch is how far up or down the plane/boat's nose is
pointed.
 2. Roll is how much the plane is tilted to the left or
right (tipping the plane/ship left and right).
 3. Yaw is the other one. :-)

Pitch and roll have essentially the obvious meaning from
their usual usage. It's yaw that isn't used outside this
context.


Getting OT here, but I hadn't heard that one before. Citation?


Thanks. It's just that I didn't see that meaning in the OED, so I was
curious.



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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-10-17 Thread John Muccigrosso
On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 4:49:22 AM UTC-4, bugbear wrote:
>
> John Muccigrosso wrote: 
> > Thanks. It's just that I didn't see that meaning in the OED, so I was 
> curious. 
>
> It's very common for "normal" dictionaries not to have highly technical 
> or trade/craft specific meanings. I take part in discussions on  pre 1950 
> woodwork, 
> and many words (some of them apparently common) have specific meanings 
> in the craft which you won't find in a normal dictionary, regardless of 
> its 
> size/scope. 
>
>   BugBear 
>

Some might dispute the categorization of the OED as "normal." :-) 

But if the use of yaw to mean harbor mouth appeared anywhere in literature 
(or lots of other places), it would be in there. It isn't, AFAICT. (And 
this is going way off topic, so I'll stop now.)

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-10-17 Thread bugbear

John Muccigrosso wrote:

Thanks. It's just that I didn't see that meaning in the OED, so I was curious.


It's very common for "normal" dictionaries not to have highly technical
or trade/craft specific meanings. I take part in discussions on  pre 1950 
woodwork,
and many words (some of them apparently common) have specific meanings
in the craft which you won't find in a normal dictionary, regardless of its
size/scope.

 BugBear

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[hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-10-16 Thread John Muccigrosso
On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-4, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>
> Very log ago I heard it used.
> From dictionary yaw" (be) definition: to be wide open. ... to open wide; 
> "gape" 
> Was applied in this meaning to a wide open harbour or river mount. Just 
> trying to add text to your point 3.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 15 October 2016 02:58:39 UTC+13, John Muccigrosso wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:34:42 AM UTC-4, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>>>
>>> Yaw is the width of the harbour entrance, side to side.
>>>
>>> On Monday, 3 October 2016 04:46:57 UTC+13, John Muccigrosso wrote:

 I always like to remember the original usage for airplanes (OK, it was 
 really ships):


1. Pitch is how far up or down the plane/boat's nose is pointed.
2. Roll is how much the plane is tilted to the left or right 
(tipping the plane/ship left and right).
3. Yaw is the other one. :-)

 Pitch and roll have essentially the obvious meaning from their usual 
 usage. It's yaw that isn't used outside this context.

>>>
>> Getting OT here, but I hadn't heard that one before. Citation? 
>>
>
Thanks. It's just that I didn't see that meaning in the OED, so I was 
curious. 

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[hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-10-14 Thread Steve Edmonds
Very log ago I heard it used.
>From dictionary yaw" (be) definition: to be wide open. ... to open wide; 
"gape" 
Was applied in this meaning to a wide open harbour or river mount. Just 
trying to add text to your point 3.



On Saturday, 15 October 2016 02:58:39 UTC+13, John Muccigrosso wrote:
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:34:42 AM UTC-4, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>>
>> Yaw is the width of the harbour entrance, side to side.
>>
>> On Monday, 3 October 2016 04:46:57 UTC+13, John Muccigrosso wrote:
>>>
>>> I always like to remember the original usage for airplanes (OK, it was 
>>> really ships):
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Pitch is how far up or down the plane/boat's nose is pointed.
>>>2. Roll is how much the plane is tilted to the left or right 
>>>(tipping the plane/ship left and right).
>>>3. Yaw is the other one. :-)
>>>
>>> Pitch and roll have essentially the obvious meaning from their usual 
>>> usage. It's yaw that isn't used outside this context.
>>>
>>
> Getting OT here, but I hadn't heard that one before. Citation? 
>
 
 

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[hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-10-14 Thread John Muccigrosso
On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:34:42 AM UTC-4, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>
> Yaw is the width of the harbour entrance, side to side.
>
> On Monday, 3 October 2016 04:46:57 UTC+13, John Muccigrosso wrote:
>>
>> I always like to remember the original usage for airplanes (OK, it was 
>> really ships):
>>
>>
>>1. Pitch is how far up or down the plane/boat's nose is pointed.
>>2. Roll is how much the plane is tilted to the left or right (tipping 
>>the plane/ship left and right).
>>3. Yaw is the other one. :-)
>>
>> Pitch and roll have essentially the obvious meaning from their usual 
>> usage. It's yaw that isn't used outside this context.
>>
>
Getting OT here, but I hadn't heard that one before. Citation? 

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[hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-10-14 Thread Steve Edmonds
Yaw is the width of the harbour entrance, side to side.

On Monday, 3 October 2016 04:46:57 UTC+13, John Muccigrosso wrote:
>
> I always like to remember the original usage for airplanes (OK, it was 
> really ships):
>
>
>1. Pitch is how far up or down the plane/boat's nose is pointed.
>2. Roll is how much the plane is tilted to the left or right (tipping 
>the plane/ship left and right).
>3. Yaw is the other one. :-)
>
> Pitch and roll have essentially the obvious meaning from their usual 
> usage. It's yaw that isn't used outside this context.
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-10-02 Thread John Muccigrosso
I always like to remember the original usage for airplanes (OK, it was 
really ships):


   1. Pitch is how far up or down the plane/boat's nose is pointed.
   2. Roll is how much the plane is tilted to the left or right (tipping 
   the plane/ship left and right).
   3. Yaw is the other one. :-)

Pitch and roll have essentially the obvious meaning from their usual usage. 
It's yaw that isn't used outside this context.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-09-29 Thread Sean Greenslade
On September 28, 2016 7:46:20 AM EDT, 'JKEngineer' via hugin and other free 
panoramic software  wrote:
>Yaw is rotation about the vertical axis - essentially the "compass" 
>direction. 
>Roll is rotation about the horizontal front to rear axis - essentially
>tilt 
>around the lens - what Sean described, but called it yaw. 
>Pitch is rotation about the horizontal side to side axis - whether the
>lens 
>is pointing up or down.  
>
>JK

Sorry, yes, I had a complete brainfart. I described roll in my previous mail. 
Yaw is equivalent to panning on a fixed tripod, and pitch is equivalent to up 
and down tilt on a fixed tripod.

I imagined there being confusion with regards to roll since it's not a motion 
that's easy to accomplish on a tripod.

--Sean

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[hugin-ptx] Re: optimizer tab

2016-09-28 Thread 'JKEngineer' via hugin and other free panoramic software
Yaw is rotation about the vertical axis - essentially the "compass" 
direction. 
Roll is rotation about the horizontal front to rear axis - essentially tilt 
around the lens - what Sean described, but called it yaw. 
Pitch is rotation about the horizontal side to side axis - whether the lens 
is pointing up or down.  

JK

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 9:32:11 PM UTC-4, Michael Havens wrote:
>
> Thanks for showing me how to get to it. Now I need to know how to figure 
> out the yaw, pitch, and roll. I mean I have some images loaded but... I 
> think i figured it out. How does it rotate yaw though? I understand roll 
> and pitch I think. Help me understand.
>

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Optimizer tab and X,Y,Z parameters

2010-03-23 Thread Felix Hagemann
On 17 March 2010 00:34, Bruno Postle br...@postle.net wrote:
 The attached patch implements a Everything (not x,y,z) preset, which
 does the job for me.

 Thanks, I committed it, but I fear that this preset menu is already very
 confusing.

Thanks for committing. I agree that the preset menu and probably the
whole Optimizer tab is confusing to inexperienced users.  I've been
trying to come up with a way to improve usability but I can't think of
a scheme that wouldn't make my own workflow cumbersome or even
impossible.

One approach would be to make the user decide early on in the process
whether he's working on a (i) linear, flat, mosaic (or whatever it's
called) panorama involving translation parameters or a (ii)
traditional one. For (i) automatically do optimization including
translation params and for (ii) activate them only for shots somehow
tagged as nadir shots.

But probably that's a usability nightmare as well and I'm pretty sure
that there will be people finding very valid and creative use cases
that involve both types in one project. Maybe we just have to accept
that hugin is an extremely powerful tool which can only lose part of
it's power if it's made easy.

Felix

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Optimizer tab and X,Y,Z parameters

2010-03-16 Thread Bruno Postle

On Thu 11-Mar-2010 at 23:20 +0100, Felix Hagemann wrote:

On 10 March 2010 23:42, Felix Hagemann felix.hagem...@gmail.com wrote:

What would others think of a new preset like Everything (without
XYZ) to make things a tad easier? Or maybe even add a new check box
which toggles XYZ for all presets?


The attached patch implements a Everything (not x,y,z) preset, which
does the job for me.


Thanks, I committed it, but I fear that this preset menu is already 
very confusing.


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Optimizer tab and X,Y,Z parameters

2010-03-11 Thread Felix Hagemann
On 10 March 2010 23:42, Felix Hagemann felix.hagem...@gmail.com wrote:
 What would others think of a new preset like Everything (without
 XYZ) to make things a tad easier? Or maybe even add a new check box
 which toggles XYZ for all presets?

The attached patch implements a Everything (not x,y,z) preset, which
does the job for me.

Felix

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===
--- src/hugin1/hugin/xrc/optimize_panel.xrc	(revision 5059)
+++ src/hugin1/hugin/xrc/optimize_panel.xrc	(working copy)
@@ -44,6 +44,7 @@
   itemPositions, Translation and Barrel (y,p,r,x,y,z,b)/item
   itemPositions, View and Barrel (y,p,r,v,b)/item
   itemPositions, Translation, View and Barrel (y,p,r,x,y,z,v,b)/item
+  itemEverything (not x,y,z)/item
   itemEverything/item
   itemthe Custom parameters below/item
 /content
Index: src/hugin1/hugin/OptimizePanel.cpp
===
--- src/hugin1/hugin/OptimizePanel.cpp	(revision 5059)
+++ src/hugin1/hugin/OptimizePanel.cpp	(working copy)
@@ -82,7 +82,7 @@
 
 // local optimize definition. need to be in sync with the xrc file
 enum OptimizeMode { OPT_PAIRWISE=0, OPT_YRP, OPT_YRP_XYZ, OPT_YRP_V, OPT_YRP_XYZ_V,
-OPT_YRP_B, OPT_YRP_XYZ_B, OPT_YRP_BV, OPT_YRP_XYZ_BV, OPT_ALL, OPT_CUSTOM,
+OPT_YRP_B, OPT_YRP_XYZ_B, OPT_YRP_BV, OPT_YRP_XYZ_BV, OPT_ALL_NOTXYZ, OPT_ALL, OPT_CUSTOM,
 OPT_END_MARKER};
 
 OptimizePanel::OptimizePanel()
@@ -901,11 +901,26 @@
   SetCheckMark(m_d_list,false);
   SetCheckMark(m_e_list,false);
   break;
-  	case OPT_ALL:
+  	case OPT_ALL_NOTXYZ:
   // everything
   SetCheckMark(m_yaw_list,true);
   SetCheckMark(m_roll_list,true);
   SetCheckMark(m_pitch_list,true);
+  SetCheckMark(m_x_list,false);
+  SetCheckMark(m_y_list,false);
+  SetCheckMark(m_z_list,false);
+  SetCheckMark(m_v_list,true);
+  SetCheckMark(m_a_list,true);
+  SetCheckMark(m_b_list,true);
+  SetCheckMark(m_c_list,true);
+  SetCheckMark(m_d_list,true);
+  SetCheckMark(m_e_list,true);
+	  break;
+	case OPT_ALL:
+  // everything
+  SetCheckMark(m_yaw_list,true);
+  SetCheckMark(m_roll_list,true);
+  SetCheckMark(m_pitch_list,true);
   SetCheckMark(m_x_list,true);
   SetCheckMark(m_y_list,true);
   SetCheckMark(m_z_list,true);