Re: [I18n]BiDi rant (fwd)

2002-02-13 Thread Akber Choudhry
The Turkish language was ancient and was written in the Arabic script for a comparatively short time, and continuous efforts were always under way to keep the language pure. The Russian attempt was also aimed at the Uralo-Altay family of languages, of which Turkish is the most dominant. All

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Aidan Kehoe
Ar an 12ú lá de mí 2, scríobh Simon Montagu : There are many languages in the Middle East that are written in a form of Arabic script, but I don't know if any of those languages had a different script (or writing direction) at any earlier period. Farsi (Iranian) certainly was. --

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Aidan Kehoe
Ar an 12ú lá de mí 2, scríobh Markus Kuhn : It's certainly difficult, but not impossible. Turkey is the major successful case I know of, where a script reform has succeeded. It was driven by a major political move to make the country overall more secular and compatible with Europe. It

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Pablo Saratxaga
Kaixo! On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 02:11:39PM -0700, Weldon Whipple wrote: Prior to World War II, Japanese horizontal writing went from right to left. After the war it changed to left-to-right. Yes, however at that time horizontal text was very marginal, so the change wasn't that hard after

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Akber Choudhry
The Turkish language was ancient and was written in the Arabic script for a comparatively short time, and continuous efforts were always under way to keep the language pure. The Russian attempt was also aimed at the Uralo-Altay family of languages, of which Turkish is the most dominant. All

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Akber Choudhry
The Turkish language was ancient and was written in the Arabic script for a comparatively short time, and continuous efforts were always under way to keep the language pure. The Russian attempt was also aimed at the Uralo-Altay family of languages, of which Turkish is the most dominant. All

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Akber Choudhry
The Turkish language was ancient and was written in the Arabic script for a comparatively short time, and continuous efforts were always under way to keep the language pure. The Russian attempt was also aimed at the Uralo-Altay family of languages, of which Turkish is the most dominant. All

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Akber Choudhry
Hi Markus, Thanks for eloquently expressing my developing thoughts and fears. Culture and language are so uniquely intertwined. [ASIDE] The Turkish experiment is not acceptable to a majority of the people in question - the turkish lost their culture and are still knocking at the door of Europe.

[I18n]Support for Multilanguage Keyboard

2002-02-13 Thread Asaf
Hi, Please forgive me if I am posting to the wrong list. I am trying to configure my X server to work with 3 languages: English, Hebrew and Arabic. I found here and there xkb files which map keys to English/Hebrew or English/Arabic keyboard, but I don't know how do I combine the two of them,

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Jay Cotton
Akber Choudhry wrote: Hi Markus, --- CUT --- I agree that the solution is that we do NOT need bi-di. I am actively experimenting at a lower level to simply reverse the raster co-ordinates of the primitive graphic routines of X. This is a really bad idea. to simply reverse the raster

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Markus Kuhn
Mark Leisher wrote on 2002-02-13 00:29 UTC: I respect Markus too much to think this was anything more than a subconscious plea for simplicity and symmetry, born of irritation with messy reality. Sort of absentmindedly muttering out loud when someone is nearby. What I primarily wanted to

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Akber Choudhry
My posts to the list were stuck due to the new restriction on identical from address. Then they all got released - Apologies for multiple posts if anyone got them. Thanks for the advice. My goal, from a deployment perspective is to enable a shell where a system administrator can start, stop

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Akber Choudhry
Thanks very much. On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: IDs should probably only ASCII. I'm not sure exactly what POSIX tells about this, but I won't be surprised if some scripts will break otherwise. OTOH: who says your users have to have the same unix username? sorry, didn't get it

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Akber Choudhry wrote: Thanks very much. On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: IDs should probably only ASCII. I'm not sure exactly what POSIX tells about this, but I won't be surprised if some scripts will break otherwise. OTOH: who says your users have to

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Akber Choudhry
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Why do users have to have non-ASCII characters in their usernames? By users, i meant sysops and the like. Completely agreed that end-users can be very ably served through DBAuthentication, POP aliases, JAAS authentication, LDAP and countless other

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Akber Choudhry wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: There are two seperate issues: support of the UTF-8 encoding and of the Unicode character set on one hand, and bidi on the other hand. xterm already has support for displaying UTF-8. I believe that so

Re: [I18n]BiDi rant

2002-02-13 Thread Deniz Akkus Kanca
Sal 12 ub 2002 17:00 tarihinde unlar yazmtnz: Hi Akber, I agree with you that a computer is not an enforcer of script and culture. Anything should go and the technological simplicity or complexity of the situation, simply, should be taken as a given. However, please do refrain from making