[IAEP] Objective of today's press release: developer recruitment!

2009-09-18 Thread Sean DALY
For those of you who haven't been following the Marketing list, Sugar Labs and the Free Software Foundation will be issuing a joint press release today celebrating Software Freedom Day. It is visible on our site at http://www.sugarlabs.org/press and on the FSF site at

Re: [IAEP] Another article that could probably use some measured response.

2009-09-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 21:05, Bakhtiar Mikhak mik...@mediamods.com wrote: More than two decades ago, Seymour Papert wrote a response to similar criticisms of the role of computers in education: http://www.papert.org/articles/ComputerCriticismVsTechnocentric.html I think Seymour's comments are

Re: [IAEP] brief outline of my Sugar presentation last night

2009-09-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 17:54, Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: sugar presentation    Total talking time        15 min    20 or so people in attendance        gnocode in New Orleans just gave a look at http://www.gnocode.org/ and it looks like a very interesting group to

Re: [IAEP] I would be able to help test if we did snapshots of current status of f12 sugar on a da

2009-09-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 05:25, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: It would be really cool if you could do screencasts of your tests and post them publicly. Further to that end... if more devs and users

Re: [IAEP] Another article that could probably use some measured response.

2009-09-18 Thread Edward Cherlin
The same problem about _the_ effect of Logo occurs with _the_ Scientific Method. Real scientists observe, conjecture, theorize, plan, experiment, calculate, and have Aha! moments. Toy science does demonstrations and calls them experiments, and pays no attention to the rest. This is because only

[IAEP] CEIBAL book

2009-09-18 Thread Edward Cherlin
This is great. There is a free PDF, with cartoons, all in Spanish. http://olpc-ceibal.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-june-th-27th-we-launched-book-ceibal.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/3832023881/ ¡¡¡LLEGARON LAS COMPUS!!! (p. 18 Pobre maestra) -- Edward Mokurai

Re: [IAEP] brief outline of my Sugar presentation last night

2009-09-18 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Dennis Daniels dennisgdani...@gmail.com wrote: sugar presentation    Total talking time        15 min    20 or so people in attendance        gnocode in New Orleans            tech group            interested in doing 'public good' projects                

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 05:38, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: I read the multiple future of SoaS discussions on this mailing list and... to be honest, I was frustrated and didn't quite know how to respond. So I called my aunt Lynne May (I stay with her family when I'm in Boston). She's

[IAEP] Cisco/webex Webinar: Turning 35 Years of Educational Ideas into Reality, presented by Steve Wozniak

2009-09-18 Thread Sean DALY
http://try.webex.com/mk/get/STEVE_WOZ_EM ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-18 Thread Samuel Klein
Mel - thanks for this delightful and thoughtful post. I agree with most of the points you and your aunt raise. Ben says, about 'Friendly' and 'Consistent': These two things sound pretty much the same to me. They also sound absolutely impossible, taken strictly. Taking a more relaxed

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:21:34AM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: From: Mel Chua m...@melchua.com [make SoaS friendly/consistent/sustainable] This is exactly the kind of feedback SoaS and deployment teams need. Kudos! I'm not sure why you see it as relevant. You're only right insofar as SoaS

[IAEP] NOW: Contributors Program Mtg! (Fri 2PM Boston time, #olpc-meeting)

2009-09-18 Thread Holt
Please join us Right Now reviewing the latest OLPC/Sugar community projects over IRC Live Chat: (2PM EDT Boston Time Friday) http://forum.laptop.org/chat Then type at bottom: /join #olpc-meeting AGENDA: * New projects libraries -- teaching them Community Outreach:

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:39:08PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: This note is only tangentially a response to Peter Robinson's... Here's my thought process... [meta: it's hard to know to what email are you replying or to what topic you're speaking] I ... don't think we can leave Sugar LiveUSB

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-18 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: We already have de...@lists.laptop.org for OLPC, fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com and others for Fedora,

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:39:08PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: This note is only tangentially a response to Peter Robinson's... Here's my thought process... [meta: it's hard to know to what email are you replying

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Chris Ball
Hi all, Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an official answer on this. Soon. Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a Sugar-centric GNU/Linux distribution? Martin Dengler has persuaded me that having SLOBs vote on

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Walter Bender
Chris, I think your strategy for reaching consensus on this issue is a good one, but somewhat at odds with our rules of governance. According to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance#Decision_Panels I think we should be the Oversight Board is responsible for convening a Decision

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi,   Chris, I think your strategy for reaching consensus on this issue   is a good one, but somewhat at odds with our rules of governance. Thanks.  You're right; I'd missed that.   The Oversight Board will selecting

[IAEP] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-18 Thread Chris Ball
Hi all, Sebastian Dziallas has asked for clarity on how the SoaS distribution he maintains is going to be treated and considered by SL. It doesn't seem that there's consensus, so we suggest forming a Decision Panel: On the rare occasion of a contentious issue on which no general consensus

Re: [IAEP] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-18 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Chris Ball wrote: Please volunteer by replying to this mail if you're interested, and please do so by Thursday September 24th so that we can run the vote at the Friday September 25th SLOBs meeting. Thanks! - Chris. Thanks for getting this process off the ground! :) Well, I'd obviously

Re: [IAEP] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-18 Thread Luke Faraone
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 16:27, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: This mail is to ask for volunteers for the Decision Panel. Volunteers can be anyone with an interest in the outcome, *raises hand*. I'm fairly interested in the future of SoaS, and would like to be on the Panel. -- Luke

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-18 Thread Philippe Clérié
I think you're right on the money. I can understand why a teacher may not be interested in this discussion. Still, the debate is also very relevant. It's about how we're going to address your aunt's concerns. Think of it this way: nobody wants to know how sausage is made, right? Well, we're

Re: [IAEP] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 04:27:03PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: This mail is to ask for volunteers for the Decision Panel. [...] Please volunteer by replying to this mail if you're interested I volunteer. Thanks! - Chris. Martin pgpdfCxqIfbZp.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-18 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
With all due respect, I see this is a great idea, but a little late and a sort of unfunded mandate, uh? This should and should have been funded with G1G1 money at the very least, or even with some desperate fundraising. Such a group doing such a vital thing will not happen for free unless

[IAEP] What is Sugar LiveUSB (was: Re: [Sugar-devel] SLOBs Position on SoaS)

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:54:30PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: There seems to be a lack of consensus of what SoaS actually is or what it's goals (use cases) should be. I'd like to say I see your point, but across the internet that's a dangerous thing to say in the face of the somewhat amusing

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] What is Sugar LiveUSB

2009-09-18 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Martin Dengler wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:54:30PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: There seems to be a lack of consensus of what SoaS actually is or what it's goals (use cases) should be. I'd like to say I see your point, but across the internet that's a dangerous thing to say in

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] What is Sugar LiveUSB

2009-09-18 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
I just discovered a nice feature of rawhide nightly builds http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/education/ == test F12 for dd functionality dd if=education-i386-20090917.16.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=4k 402432+0 records in 402432+0 records out

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-18 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi all, Sebastian Dziallas has asked for clarity on how the SoaS distribution he maintains is going to be treated and considered by SL.  It doesn't seem that there's consensus, so we suggest forming a Decision Panel: ...