Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Sean DALY
Daniel - thanks for that cc'ing the IAEP list, since the topic of the future of Sugar is I believe of general interest to developer and non-developer contributors alike. Porting Sugar to Android was identified at the beginning of the year by the Oversight Board as a strategic goal for Sugar

Re: [IAEP] [support-gang] Fwd: Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi Folks... Notes from Sunny SoCal... Another reason to Androidize Sugar... whenever someone asks me (as recently as last evening) about the XO Learning Tablet, they assume Sugar will run on it. I have to tell them, no, it's an Android platform, but we hope to get Sugar running on Android

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] Fwd: Re: Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 12 April 2013 23:40, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Would it be possible to, instead of trying to port all of Sugar to Android, start with a few key Activities? I think that's the idea. Porting the whole Sugar to Android would involve porting a lot of system components and then

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 12 April 2013 22:52, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: The initial work seems very encouraging, yet it seems Sugar Labs doesn't currently have the resources to make an Android offer available anytime soon. But: now is the time. I believe fundraising is vital to achieve this goal, at the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Anish Mangal
Hi Daniel, et. al., Do you think Ubuntu could be an (easier) option for sugar to piggyback upon... This is not a because-i-think-ubuntu-is-cool opinion, but testament to the fact that canonical have been working to get ubuntu running on tablets and smartphones.

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Caryl Bigenho
O.K. So... now it is time to divide and conquer! That is... divide the work up into doable little projects and conquer the huge task of getting Sugar Activities onto Android and possibly other platforms. Someone (at Sugar Labs, logically) just needs to be in charge and coordinate the efforts to

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Caryl Bigenho
O.K. So... now it is time to divide and conquer! That is... divide the work up into doable little projects and conquer the huge task of getting Sugar Activities onto Android and possibly other platforms. Someone (at Sugar Labs, logically) just needs to be in charge and coordinate the efforts to

Re: [IAEP] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 12.04.2013, at 15:39, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: O.K. So... now it is time to divide and conquer! Is it? That is... divide the work up into doable little projects and conquer the huge task of getting Sugar Activities onto Android and possibly other platforms. IMHO the

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hi Anish, that's interesting. First impressions from a quick look. There isn't really much documentation so I won't promise this is fully accurate :) Ubuntu is running in a chroot on the top of a modified android kernel. That's a bit of an hack and I wouldn't recommend it if we had to maintain

Re: [IAEP] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de writes: That is... divide the work up into doable little projects and conquer the huge task of getting Sugar Activities onto Android and possibly other platforms. IMHO the individual activities are *not* what makes Sugar such a compelling proposition.

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi Sean, I've not closely followed all these discussions, so obviously I'm not in the best position to provide good arguments, but here is my gut feeling about this. I see three challenges: put Sugar in the hands of many kids, build a healthy FLOSS community, raise funds. The latter is just a

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 13 April 2013 01:36, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anish, that's interesting. First impressions from a quick look. There isn't really much documentation so I won't promise this is fully accurate :) Ubuntu is running in a chroot on the top of a modified android kernel.

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Anish Mangal
+1 (in spirit to fixing challenges with Sugar as a FLOSS community) On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Bastien b...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Sean, I've not closely followed all these discussions, so obviously I'm not in the best position to provide good arguments, but here is my gut feeling about

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread forster
Thanks to everybody who has contributed to the discussion so far, particularly to Sean for his well researched post on Android developments. The choices as I understand: 0) Do not have an Android transition plan 1) A suite of Activities with a common look and feel but leave things like file

Re: [IAEP] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 03:48:00PM -0700, Bert Freudenberg wrote: [...] the individual activities are *not* what makes Sugar such a compelling proposition. Sure, having some of them as apps on other platforms would be nice. But isn't collaborating and sharing at the heart of Sugar? The Journal

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:25:46AM +0800, Martin Dengler wrote: I bet someone (cscott?) has already investigated [porting Sugar to Android] Answering myself: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/work/download/google/gci2012/7972209?id=17001 Martin Martin pgp3CDC48aVFd.pgp Description: PGP