Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
If we abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora, what has the end-user gained? We (SugarLabs) don't abandon etoys to maintain compatibility with Fedora. Fedora request a change on etoys, but Bert (who maintains etoys) is working for free, then we can't force him to dedicate hours

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi... Some thoughts about Etoys: Tim Falconer and other folks at Waveplace (deployments around the Caribbean) have made excellent use of Etoys and have made a series of lessons about its use available at: http://www.waveplace.com/courseware/basic-etoys/ However, I don't recall seeing

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 04.03.2015, at 10:44, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi... Some thoughts about Etoys: Tim Falconer and other folks at Waveplace (deployments around the Caribbean) have made excellent use of Etoys and have made a series of lessons about its use available at:

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Alan Kay
Interesting that 5th graders learn Etoys very easily but teachers find the learning curve too steep hmm Cheers Alan From: Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de To: Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Cc: IAEP SugarLabs iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Tim Falconer timo...@immuexa.com;

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Sora Edwards-Thro
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: We see that all time, is not surprising at all. Some (but not all) kids will try until find the way, and many adults are used to a more structured way of learning, and are afraid of break something. Everyone's

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Gonzalo Must we rewrite 300 Sugar activities because Python is obsolete? If we are committed to Android, have we looked at making Python viable there? Are we facing lock-down on these machines or can we run Fedora/Sugar on a tablet without Android? If I understand you, then Etoys no

Re: [IAEP] Future Direction

2015-03-04 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Caryl Etoys is also supported by a web site: http://etoysillinois.org/ which is somewhat comparable to the Scratch site. If Etoys to Go works on an XO, then the contents of the usb drive could be copied to a folder on an XO and run from there. The 10 videos from Waveplace provide an