Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 06:11:31PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread James Simmons
I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used, requiring a proper icon for the Activity, etc. It might be nice to have two levels

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Yes. Also, we must recommend working more in the open, I don't know why, but in particular students in universities are very reluctant to integrate to the community, and are happy dropping a finished product without interaction. Gonzalo On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:37 AM, James Simmons

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Chris Leonard
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a toolbar, requiring Share and Keep buttons to be hidden if they aren't used,

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Chris Leonard
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:37 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of giving certificates, but I think we should take the opportunity to enforce some simple best practices, like requiring a

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Gonzalo, having worked with a handful of student groups in Austria over the past three years I agree with your observation. With education students I feel it's hard to get them involved because they're simply not used to tools such as mailing-lists, wikis, and IRC which happen to be the places

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread James Simmons
Chris, I would consider Pootle support basic good practice, not advanced. I agree with others who said we need to get them involved in the community. That might actually make the certificate attractive to teachers. If he assigns a student to get a certificate from us the student will learn

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 04:07:49PM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: With education students I feel it's hard to get them involved because they're simply not used to tools such as mailing-lists, wikis, and IRC How do you think we could reach education students? Is it worth doing? Last but

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Sameer Verma
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Yes. Also, we must recommend working more in the open, I don't know why, but in particular students in universities are very reluctant to integrate to the community, and are happy dropping a finished product without

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread ana.cichero
Just to remind the list about this guidance that I think is very useful and mentions pootle, collaboration, etc. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Gonzalo Odiard

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread James Simmons
Sameer, I remember being a student like it was yesterday. The thing is, you have classes like this one that Mel Chua pointed out awhile back: http://csci462-2011.wikispaces.com/ I looked at some of their blogs and some of them were struggling with pretty basic stuff like how to put in a

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
I agree with most of your comments, and the next comments, we have knowledge useful to share, working with others, a lot of tools, professional level reviews, etc and also interacting have a cost for the students and the community (time, effort,etc). I do not think creating a low trafic list will

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Hi Martin, long time no see, hope all is well in HK! :-) Am 13.07.2011 19:13, schrieb Martin Dengler: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 04:07:49PM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: With education students I feel it's hard to get them involved because they're simply not used to tools such as

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-13 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Hi Gonzalo, as you know I'm generally a fan of process rather than tool solutions but in this particular case I think that having a separate mailing list (and the aforementioned associated process;-) could actually help. IMHO the signal to noise ratio on lists such as IAEP is relatively low,

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

2011-07-12 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, On Tue, Jul 12 2011, Walter Bender wrote: Can we discuss this? I think it would be good to have a certificate program of some sort. I image that if we get sign-off by 2+ experienced developers, we should be willing to award some sort of certificate (perhaps we can get the design team to