Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-13 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 13 April 2013 15:37, wrote: > > 1 Android kernel + Ported linux libraries + Sugar > > 2 Android kernel + Datastore/Collaboration replacement + Sugar rewritten > in > > HTML > > 3 Full Android + Datastore/Collaboration replacement + Sugar activities > > rewritten in HTML > > 4 Full Android + Da

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-13 Thread forster
> 1 Android kernel + Ported linux libraries + Sugar > 2 Android kernel + Datastore/Collaboration replacement + Sugar rewritten in > HTML > 3 Full Android + Datastore/Collaboration replacement + Sugar activities > rewritten in HTML > 4 Full Android + Datastore/Collaboration replacement + Sugar activ

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-13 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 13 April 2013 06:11, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:25:46AM +0800, Martin Dengler wrote: > > I bet someone (cscott?) has already investigated [porting Sugar to > > Android] > > Answering myself: > http://www.google-melange.com/gci/work/download/google/gci2012/7972209?id=170

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-13 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 13 April 2013 03:21, wrote: > The issue of the considerable resources required to transition to Android > has been raised. Is there any possibility of getting financial support from > Google or Samsung etc for the project? > Maybe the board could investigate if there are any financial support

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-13 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 13 April 2013 06:11, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:25:46AM +0800, Martin Dengler wrote: > > I bet someone (cscott?) has already investigated [porting Sugar to > > Android] > > Answering myself: > http://www.google-melange.com/gci/work/download/google/gci2012/7972209?id=170

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-13 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 13 April 2013 03:21, wrote: > I would like to see all these questions discussed further. I would like > the technical implementation discussions to be more contextualised in terms > of user experience. > Hi Tony, let me try contextualize, for what I know so far. I think these are the possib

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-13 Thread Austin Bart
; just observing that there is room > for improvement and perhaps we should ask the real "power users" what they > think. > > Really sorry if anyone is offended. > Caryl > > > > Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:10:18 +0800 > From: mar...@martindengler.com > To: for

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread forster
Martin Sorry, compatibility not transition. Tony > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:21:26AM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > > Thanks to everybody who has contributed to the discussion so far, > > particularly to Sean for his well researched post on Android > > developments. > > > > The choice

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Caryl Bigenho
artindengler.com To: fors...@ozonline.com.au; fors...@mail.ozonline.com.au CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:21:26AM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > Thanks to everybody who has contributed

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:25:46AM +0800, Martin Dengler wrote: > I bet someone (cscott?) has already investigated [porting Sugar to > Android] Answering myself: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/work/download/google/gci2012/7972209?id=17001 > Martin Martin pgp3CDC48aVFd.pgp Description: PGP

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:21:26AM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > Thanks to everybody who has contributed to the discussion so far, > particularly to Sean for his well researched post on Android > developments. > > The choices as I understand: > 0) Do not have an Android transition plan

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread forster
Thanks to everybody who has contributed to the discussion so far, particularly to Sean for his well researched post on Android developments. The choices as I understand: 0) Do not have an Android transition plan 1) A suite of Activities with a common look and feel but leave things like file mana

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Anish Mangal
+1 (in spirit to fixing challenges with Sugar as a FLOSS community) On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Bastien wrote: > Hi Sean, > > I've not closely followed all these discussions, so obviously I'm > not in the best position to provide good arguments, but here is my > gut feeling about this. > >

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 13 April 2013 01:36, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Hi Anish, > > that's interesting. > > First impressions from a quick look. There isn't really much documentation > so I won't promise this is fully accurate :) > > Ubuntu is running in a chroot on the top of a modified android kernel. > That's a bit

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi Sean, I've not closely followed all these discussions, so obviously I'm not in the best position to provide good arguments, but here is my gut feeling about this. I see three challenges: put Sugar in the hands of many kids, build a healthy FLOSS community, raise funds. The latter is just a me

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hi Anish, that's interesting. First impressions from a quick look. There isn't really much documentation so I won't promise this is fully accurate :) Ubuntu is running in a chroot on the top of a modified android kernel. That's a bit of an hack and I wouldn't recommend it if we had to maintain t

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Caryl Bigenho
.sugarlabs.org; fors...@ozonline.com.au; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; ma...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities) On 12 April 2013 22:52, Sean DALY wrote: The initial work seems very encouraging, yet it seems Sugar Labs doesn&#

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Caryl Bigenho
s...@ozonline.com.au; sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org; ma...@laptop.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities) On 12 April 2013 22:52, Sean DALY wrote: The initial work seems very encouraging, yet it seems Sugar Labs doesn't curren

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Anish Mangal
Hi Daniel, et. al., Do you think Ubuntu could be an (easier) option for sugar to piggyback upon... This is not a because-i-think-ubuntu-is-cool opinion, but testament to the fact that canonical have been working to get ubuntu running on tablets and smartphones. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Ins

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 12 April 2013 22:52, Sean DALY wrote: > The initial work seems very encouraging, yet it seems Sugar Labs doesn't > currently have the resources to make an Android offer available anytime > soon. But: now is the time. I believe fundraising is vital to achieve this > goal, at the very least to f

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Sean DALY
Daniel - thanks for that cc'ing the IAEP list, since the topic of the future of Sugar is I believe of general interest to developer and non-developer contributors alike. Porting Sugar to Android was identified at the beginning of the year by the Oversight Board as a strategic goal for Sugar Labs.