Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:14 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: We mostly assess that which can easily be measured rather than that which relates to the important education outcomes. Yes. We mostly assess that which can be easily measured _by humans_. Imagine how it goes when we narrow that to

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-24 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Hello Tony, thanks a lot for your comment which is definitely some more great food for thought (on top of Martin's earlier comments). I'll have to spend more time thinking about this issue and, more importantly, talking to the educational folks here at OLE Nepal before I can start to wrap my

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-20 Thread Bryan Berry
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 09:57 +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: 2009/8/19 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu: - Automatic assessment is snake oil, Bryan is well intentioned but deeply wrong. See the earlier email at http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05584.html I agree

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Bryan Berrybr...@olenepal.org wrote: I agree that automatic assessment is no magic cure-all but it does free teachers from a lot of drudgery in grading worksheets. I understand your point, and respect your good intentions. I worry -- quite a bit -- about the